
Sony may delay the PS6 until as late as 2029, and PlayStation power users are partying all over social media.
Maybe I’m increasingly out of touch, but honestly I find it a bemusing state of affairs.
Should this all come to pass, it would make the PS5 era the longest PlayStation generation by some margin. And yet, instead of disappointment, I feel like many fans seem delighted. Some are even arguing the organisation should wait until 2030 or beyond!
What is this all about?
Sure, there’s an increasing sentiment that PS5 hasn’t lived up to expectations. No one can deny dev cycles are longer than ever and cross-gen releases have undoubtedly blurred the generational divides. I totally get it – the leaps aren’t as dramatic as they once were, like from the PS1 to the PS2.

But let’s not rewrite history here. I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times. The generational jump still exists – it’s just evolutionary rather than revolutionary at this point in time.
Look, even I’ll admit we’ve hit diminishing returns. Console upgrades more closely resemble smartphones these days: they’re becoming more iterative and a lot less transformative overall. But iteration doesn’t mean meaningless. Smaller, quieter, more powerful hardware absolutely still has its place in the market.
More importantly, here’s the part I really struggle to understand: if you don’t want a PS6 at launch, then you’re not obligated to buy one.
In this era of cross-gen software, you’ll be able to sit comfortably on your PS5 for years. If the PS6 launches in 2027 and you’re not ready until 2030, then you won’t be forced to act until you want to. The upgrade path is completely optional – it always has been.

So, why champion a supposed delay?
Bloomberg’s reporting suggests any setback would be considered a “major upset” internally, driven by AI-induced RAM scarcity – not some supposed shift away from generational progress.
This doesn’t sound like an instance of Sony responding to robust consumer sentiment – it’s seemingly acting out of necessity, reacting to market conditions it simply can’t control.
And it’s not like any of this is going to correct the criticisms aimed at the PS5: the platform holder’s still going to port its first-party exclusives to the PC, and Naughty Dog’s still going to take anywhere up to a half-decade to ship a new game.
But it’s all going to come at the cost of lost momentum, because it’s hard to imagine the PS5 being anything but long in the tooth several years from now.
New generations – iterative or not – reset the conversation and spark enthusiasm. They push developers forward, even if it’s only gradual. And without that cadence, I think there’s a very real risk of the ecosystem drifting into stagnation.
Look, if we’re all still playing on our launch PS5s in 2029, I’ll deal with it. But I find the celebration, particularly from PlayStation power users, to be a bit baffling. I don’t think an industry built on forward momentum should necessarily be cheering standing still.
Are you one of those celebrating the speculation about a PS6 delay? What is the reason behind your enthusiasm, and how do you think it’s going to benefit PlayStation as a whole? Let us know in the comments section below.





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@get2sammyb " I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times. "
My SSD-equipped PS4 Pro is still playing rather well thanks, Sammy!
I'll keep an eye on the PS6 when it breaks cover. I will not be buying one for FOMO like I did with the PS5, that's for sure!
Hopefully it'll be better looking (can't be much worse, can it?), have a much better UI, better more comfortable controllers and will have some decent exclusives plus the extra grunt to run PS1/PS2/PS3 games natively. Unfortunately with the current incumbents of Sony/PS, they'll only do something like the latter if they can work out a way to fleece their subscribers.
Well considering the PS5 still hasn't maxed out yet, it's not bad news
I want PS5 games which are developed with focus on this platform. I don’t want a cross-gen period with PS5 games running with 30 fps and poor image quality because „you have the option for great looking 60 fps with PS6“, at least not until 2029.
And games like Soros just look good enough to me. Who needs path-tracing?
I just don't want to have to buy a whole new console to play a specific game. The longer I don't have to spend a load of money on a new machine, the better
Personally, I want it in 2027. But I have never thought it would launch before 2028 - 4 years from PS5 Pro.
A delay beyond 2028 may be problematic based on the rumoured power difference between PS5 Pro and PS6, which is not as big as I hoped it would be.
Just a thought - why should RAM prices delay it? If they could release at £700 in 2029 (for example), just release at £850 in 2028, and reduce in 2029. Even if they were very clear that is what they were doing, it would still sell!
I still play my ps3 let alone my ps4… diminishing returns means that my ps5 pro won’t be massively different to what my eventual ps6 will deliver… at least at the start of the gen.
Honestly, i bought my PS5 in early 2021, and it feels like i have it for bearly a year. Needs way more exclusive titles, just feels like a more powerfull PS4 with nothing really noteworthy. I could not care less about a new hardware right now, I just want exclusive games that I won't be able to play anywhere else.
Probably because a lot of people feel this has been one the most disappointing generations. Its been full of remakes sequels and remasters. The cross gen went on to long it feels only in the last year we have PS5 only games. I dont think there has been a game this year that has used the PS5 to its full potential. I do feel a PS6 will be such a minimal improvement on what we have now.
Isn't this just all down to cost , in the current financial climate if released in 2027 ,wouldnt the ps6 cost over a grand
Well I DO feel like the powers of the PS5 have not really been taken advantage of enough. They're more being used to allow less optimized games from lazier devs to still run somewhat okay.
Nevertheless I'd buy the next console in a heartbeat.
For me it all comes down to the lack of first party output. So, I have little interest in a new system.
Hell, Insomniac has carried this gen for PlayStation.
The PS5 still has it's share of creaky 30fps games even now.
I think with the current cost of living situation people are just not that enthusiastic about having to save up £700 to £800 (being realistic) for a new console right now, so if that expense can be kicked a few years down the road so much the better.
I think the biggest issue with the delay, is that potentially, we will be getting 2027s tech released in 2029 or beyond. Probabilities are that the components and architecture is already locked down tight, and will not be changed no matter when the console releases, so in reality, if you want to experience the tech when it shines the brightest, you want it to release at the earliest opportunity. 2027s tech will look somewhat older in 2030 when compared to the latest tech available at that time.
If Sony were going to change the components within the PS6 in 2029 to be the best available at that time, then fine, the delay may benefit us, but the truth is that they won't. Sony have already determined what they will use, and that is what we will get no matter when it releases.
The other thing to consider is that if the PS7 comes out 7 years after the release of the PS6, and the PS6 comes out in 2030, then we will still be using tech available now (which will already be slightly out of date even if it were to release this year!), some 11 or 12 years after it was at its best!
Plus, at the end of the day, if you don't want to upgrade in 2027, then you do not have to. Indeed, you do not have to upgrade at all. It's entirely optional...
@bindiana I really cant see the ps6 being much different , in 2050 we may have consoles with AI chips installed, you speak a series of prompts of the type of game you want to play, and there it is , its the future 😁
PS5 has literally only started sprinting at this point, make the jump to PS6 extremely meaningful.
You talk of losing momentum I would argue the momentum is more related to cranking out good games, not a new, underwhelming upgrade for a console. I think we are well past NEEDING games to be these graphical powerhouses when we have so many indies that have upended peoples expectations. If we were talking about the PS2 from the PS1, back when we had much more noticeable upgrades, then I'd agree more. The differences are just not worth it today though. We need much more time to see more of a legit upgrade, but as long as the games remain the draw we will be fine.
Monster hunter world plays well still. As does horizon zero dawn ( to name 2) on ps4
Why would people be excited to spend potentially £6-800 ? For what is going to be a smaller technological leap? Probably an increase in game prices and subscription too?
Ps5 works well. And considering that we still get ps4/xbone games released, where’s the rush?
"Maybe I'll increasingly out of touch" - I do agree with this bit Sammy
I don't think many people are "championing" the delay of a next gen, it's just that they/we don't want/need it at this time
To me it's irrelevant how crusty and old the PS4 may seem now when the PS5 is still more than adequate for what it does right now
It's unnecessary right now, it will cost way too much for small gains.
And times are tough for alot of people in the west and East.
There's still a lot to be done with the PS5...and at cheaper price point
What's the point of a ps6 coming out any time soon? Games looking and playing slightly better? They already look and play great, imo.
Now, if that includes a handheld, I'd buy that tomorrow. But a slightly better ps5 doesn't seem worth it to me.
2030 feels like a good date for me personally. The ps5 feels like it's only now starting to get a bit of an identity library wise, which is a shame as the console itself is great.
A ps6 in 2027 or something would likely cement the ps5 as playstations worst home console. At least in my opinion.
@illegalmonkey indies are more about gameplay and ideas , where as AAA are pretty pretties , why cant we have both , indies are fine but most of them look like dogshit
@Cambrius which? I don't think ive played a single AAA this gen that's stuck at 30 FPS
@McBurn
The PS5's power is being used, but squandered by some devs, is what you are saying? - I agree. The trouble is, I think the PS6 will open itself up for a lot more of this type of 'abuse' given the smaller rumoured raw power difference from PS5/Pro to PS6, than previous generations.
Edit: clarification.
For me it stems from the feeling that it’s all kind of plateaued. Consoles are soon going to join smart phones in this way, I think.
@Andy22385
Plenty don't achieve close to a stable 60fps, so might as well be stuck at 30fps.
Eh im not too fussed. Originally i thought 2028 but i dont even think much GPU power is needed over the Pro, certainly not 4 years worth of increase. Especially with PSSR improvements. They need to start putting decent CPUs in
It's because a lot are moaning about the price, yet have no technical knowledge on why the costs are so high, comparing a ps4 that only used a basic hard drive to a SSD NVME that 2, increases in technology, from the hard drive to solid state drive to the Non volatile memory express that bypasses SATA drives not to mention the tariffs thst have increased the cost of technology . There's also a lot in low paying jobs and expect the price to be the same as the ps4. Ignorant of technology
@Foxhound Hasn’t it? What exactly are you expecting that’s going to be dramatically different over the next four years, if we take the current poll results into account?
I don't think it's unfair to expect consoles to take longer to release, considering that it takes games longer to develop nowadays.
@thechetearly the only thing that hasn't changed over the years is npc intelligence , surely more realistic behaviour, should be available in the 21st century , i mean 40 years ago I thought we'd have hover boards and flying cars by now.
@Rich33 i dont think ive played one that drops below the 48 fps VRR magic number tbh. 48+ with VRR is always the choice over 30
I won’t be buying the ps6 day one. I’m perfectly happy with the ps5 and I can see Sony supporting the ps5 long into the ps6 cycle.
@Fiendish-Beaver "I think the biggest issue with the delay, is that potentially, we will be getting 2027s tech released in 2029 or beyond" I mean consoles have always had that problem, welcome to world of tech.
In every new generation we've seen the previous generation get increasingly bad ports, and fewer titles as people focus on the new generation.
It's not just case of "don't buy one" the longer it takes the PS6 to exist, the more games PS5 owners get that are specifically tuned for their hardware
@Rich33 the difference between the base ps5 and the pro is massive especially when the FSR 2.0 . The problem is a lot of people are running 1080ip tv screen and don't have a dent tv screen thst has HDR10+, so they are not seeing a difference. Not including the fact 70-80% of games run in 60 fps when the base ps5 struggles with 30fps , on ray tracing
@get2sammyb "I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times."
Try PS3. I'm still playing my PS3 slim and Vita. I'm also saving money to get og PS2 + bunch of games. So yes, i can live with 30 fps games and juggernaut loading times.
I don't see the urgent of PS6 needs to coming out next year though. In fact, i think it's the right choice for Sony to delayed it while waiting for RAM price become normal. If they release it next year with what, $600-700 price tag? that would be a big blow for PS6 sales.
It's a sign of the times, @get2sammyb.
I'm a big fan of new console hardware and tend to be a Day 1 buyer, but everything is expensive atm and if I can delay making a new hardware purchase for another year I'll be happy.
It also feels like we're about to see the best years of the PS5, so I'm in no rush to move on.
I think PS3 was the last time I got to play three games in one franchise while pushing the graphics? Uncharted? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't want to wait to PS6 to finish another franchise.
The amount of first party exclusives has been abysmal.. ps5 needs more before they release 6. Let it cool and come to the table with some exclusives
This whole thing feels like the “Why do we need automobiles when horse-drawn carriages work fine?” kind of argument.
I'm not sure celebrating is the right word but I'm definitely in no rush whatsoever for a PS6
And I say that as someone who always buys new consoles at launch.
The way I feel is that PS5 has literally only just gotten going, we've finally (just about) managed to shake off Cross gen PS4 releases Which I feel we're holding the games back slightly.
Let PS5 have it's time to fully shine
2028 or later, the economy sucks, no need in having new hardware when it's not needed.
I think they should wait out these supply chain issues, otherwise the PS6 is going to be 1500$ and a price precedent like that will be a death sentence for owning your own hardware I think
I don't think it's that hard to understand Sammy. Even though we've seen some beautiful looking games, people feel like the machine hasn't been properly utilized to its full potential by its most talented developers. Naughty Dog hasn't released an original title built from the ground up for PS5 yet, while in the previous generation they had that moment less than 3 years into it with Uncharted 4. Santa Monica and Guerrilla haven't released a dedicated PS5 title without the baggage of PS4 yet. I'm disqualifying Burning Shores since it was basically a continuation of a cross-gen title.
I can't speak for everyone with certainty, but I think people just want to see these developers release a dedicated PS5 title without the distraction of either the previous or the next generation. Once we've had these, I think a lot more people will be willing to start looking forward, but until that time, it feels like we collectively still have unfinished business with the current generation.
With such a range of quality on the PS5 already, I think we 'd benefit from more time for games to reach a higher average level on the current hardware. Then we can see more of a proper jump for PS6 when we're hitting the top end of what the PS5 can do.
That and a lot of people won't be able to afford one with financial outlooks as they are at the moment.
ASAP 2028 at the latest please, time marches on and old folks time runs out quicker, plus been in remission for 6yrs so times not for wasting.......so wtf am i doing on here ? Back to more important things.
Hopefully Sony saw what their in-house devs can achieve on the console and thought "that is already a step up, to be honest" and maybe PSSR v2 is better than expected and they can focus on selling the Pro to people instead? I don't think they would want to go so long without selling people something new, if possible. And if they stockpiled chips that can make PS5 Pros, they would be in a decent position for a soft-relaunch of that console. It wouldn't be like a PS6 launch, but people could be convinced if there is no other option and they start to see more improvements.
On one side, there is pricing, on the other preparing software that actually put the hardware to use. Switch 2 became my primary console since launch despite the inferior graphics and performance because it plays the same games now and adds flexibility of playing on the go. Judging by internet comments, which is not necessarily a reflection of reality but anyway, multiple people are doing the same as me, especially gamers that are now parents and don’t have much time on the big TV.
PS6 as a product needs to justify itself and it needs to do so at the price they sell it for. That’s no easy task right now. Hence a lot of people are celebrating since the delay gives Sony time to rethink and prepare games (also we all want PlayStation to succeed, so there is that).
Oh, yes, @Oram77, I absolutely know that. I'm a child of the early 60's so I have seen tech come, age, and go forever. It matters not when the PS6 releases, it will have tech within that was already a year or two out of date at the conception stage. But that is the point; if the PS6 were to release next year, containing tech from 2025, then it's only 2 years out of date. If it releases in 2030, then the tech is 5 years out of date. However, that only reflects the year of release. If the PS6 releases in 2030, and the generation lasts 7 years, before the PS7 then rocks up in 2037, then before we even have chance to buy the PS7, the architecture within the PS6 will be 12 years out of date. This is why I don't think the delay really helps us...
One thing that the author misses is that PS5 was launched during tough times and in some areas it felt like paper launch. Those consoles were so hard to get so the actual availabilty in the stores was maybe a year later.
Then comes the very late use of the hardware. I got mine in the begining but still after a year or so we got a proper PS5 game. So, the actual feel of a new console is much shorter.
And I will add and say that to me, mos devs were indeed lazy since we got the syste utilized in her mid life ... first half the only advnace was the SSD, but many had already done that on the PS4s.
In my deffence - you see how the Pro is utilized ... again it will be fully maybe just before the the 6 comes out. Yes, I know the pro is the test bed of the 6 but still...
If you are crying out for an update then PS5 pro is the clear option for now if you don't already have one - PSSR 2.0 coming out this year will hopefully give those who want a bump an uplift.
There's no real sensible option for a PS6 at the moment given the perfect storm of issues
PS5 launched during, what was an unprecedented time, causing the gen to kick off slowly
Big, first party devs haven't released a new game/IP this gen still.
RAM prices are through the roof which will massively impact the cost of any new console.
Peoples wages are not keeping up with cost of living.
Surely the longer the delay the more outdated the hardware will be? If you're happy still paying the full price for that then that's fine. But a lot of tech savvy people are not going to be pleased paying for outdated hardware at full price.
Also even if people say they think it should be delayed, what's wrong with still releasing it in 2027? Those that want a delay can just you know.... Not buy it and wait a couple of years.
Ps5 is fine for gaming until 2030 just dial back the graphics. With the games coming years after the console most won't jump over the first year anyway. Also your challenge is moot alot of gamers still play on PS4. I played all the Metal Gear in order after delta and guess what two games are locked to ps3 I had a blast. Not to mention more people play on outdated phones. Con you know why people want the PS5 to continue. We do not get to play these as part of our job we have to purchase every console and game, so if we as consumers are happy with the ps5 I guess you have to keep playing it.
It's not just the console you have to update, it's the accessories as well.
I have 4 Dual senses (including limited editions) that I like a lot, when the PS6 comes out, they sort of become obsolete.
@Fiendish-Beaver Obviously I'm not a console manufacturer/designer but I'm sure they would realise your concern of things coming out already "out-dated" and could upgrade core components before mass producing. The other thing to note. technolgy has plateaued somewhat and would take something extremely impressive (expensive) to change that.
The PS5 and the PS5 PRO are beasts, and there really is no need for a PS6 yet. Not until there is a significant hardware jump and games that will actually utilise it. Look at PS5, how many games fully harness its power and features?
It just doesn’t feel like the PS5 is struggling with games. If you look at how Switch 1 handled the last two Zelda games, those frames dropped. My PS4 sounded like it was out of breath trying to run The Last of Us 2. Every other generation had a moment where first and third parties knew how to optimize the system. It doesn’t feel like we’ve had that yet. If they haven’t maxed out this system, then why give them more room to work?
THIS! I tried to play PS4 over Xmas and it was painful. Ended up cloud streaming on Portal instead.
Really enjoyed this article and I MOSTLY feel the same @get2sammyB. However I think you are missing a few important factors on why it could reasonably be delayed a little.
1) Dev cycles are so much longer most devs aren't getting the most out of the hardware yet.
2) PS5 is a balanced console, we are playing at 60fps and have super fast load times (the two massive jumps this gen) I don't think there's a massive gap to fill somewhere else in hardware.
3) Mid gen upgrades. PS5 Pro has meant we don't need a new console as quickly.
Though personally i'd be happy with 2028, but not any later.
@lazarus11 Yes, but how can we be certain it’ll be any cheaper beyond that?
I voted 2028. But i do understand sammy tbh. I also am confused as to why people would want Sony to delay new consoles (RAM price set aside for a second). That’s like asking Nvidia to not realease a RTX6090, because i’m still fine with my RTX2070. It’s not like you have to buy a PS6 when one releases, your PS5 won’t suddenly become obsolete or anything.
It will also spearhead new tech like path tracing and advanced use of AI in games. I mean some of this tech is already available on PC, but it usually only starts to get developed for when consoles have the tech, because only a handful of PC users have these expensive builds. Similar to ray tracing, it really blew up when consoles got the tech, even if PC already had it before
2029 2030.let the ps5 get more shine.word up son
I just bought a Pro within the last year, so I’m satisfied to stay with the PS5 for a few more years. A lot of my feelings contentment with the PS6 delay stems from the fact I’m still working on some of my backlog from PS4 for goodness sake. I personally can’t relate to the online sentiment that PS5 has no games. My backlog has never been larger and games are still coming out at a steady clip.
To play devil’s advocate, I realize PS6 will surely be backwards compatible with PS4 and PS5, so we will all be able to work on the backlog in perpetuity. So a PS4 backlog isn’t alone a reason not to want a PS6, but I think there’s an economic reason as well. Like Sammy says, the delay is out of necessity due to awful market conditions. And we’re all living in that horrible economy too with dwindling discretionary money to spend.
I know people say that you don’t have to upgrade if the PS6 were to come out tomorrow, but with technology there’s usually a draw, especially among with enthusiasts, to have the latest version and tech, so people I think are feeling the pressure to stay current and yet don’t have the money to do so.
(Edit: And I would add, as far as economic reasons for waiting, that this generation is the first time that we’ve had price increases of the hardware the further into the generation we go. So now it’s no guarantee that if you wait to adopt the new generation until a couple years later, say 2030 or 2031, that the cost of a PS6 may actually be higher! So waiting to join the next gen doesn’t mean you save money like it used to)
Another reason many of us feel fine to wait a couple years is that even though we’re at the usual end of a generational timeframe (around 6-7 years), the first two years of PS5 seemed like a no-show with the crazy COVID delays and product scarcity. Effectively the generation feels like it started around 2022 rather than 2020. I still remember the crazy days of stalking websites trying to log in immediately when stock dropped onto it, only to find out you missed again and would have to wait until the next random stock drop. So many people couldn’t even get a PS5 for the first year or so.
@UltimateOtaku91 Kinda my point, yeah. If you don’t want it in 2027, just don’t buy it.
Obviously I appreciate Sony does have to hit a price target and if that’s just not feasible right now they’ll need to delay.
But how do we know things will improve?
@Americansamurai1 say that to mobile phone manufacturers
My guy, the PS5 has like 10 games and you already want to move on to the PS6??
Price is obviously the main factor for most people if they can release in 2027 and keep the price reasonable then go for it. I dont really care either way I'll not be buying it at launch anyway.
@Cambrius How many games are actually 30fps on PS5?
I did a google and only came up with around 7 games as of last summer and can't remember any since. Yet there are over 7000 PS5 games on the PSN store.
Delaying console will make it to be last gen release once it will get to see the daylight..at that point the pc will be so many lightyears away in the hardware term, that you can probably build 2 times more powerful machine with the same price, taken that ram prices and other costs will normalize before then.
Imagine releasing a new hardware that's already 5 years out of date.
Really seems people are forgetting how PS4 was, sure the games didn't look 'that' much different to now. But we were playing in 1080p and 30 fps for the most part. Takes a hell of a lot of extra graphical power to bump that to 4k and 60. Especially with the far better lighting in games of today
The difference from "history" is, my good sir, that the midlife refresh PS5 Pro actually brought new tech in the form of PSSR - not just more horse power. Something that didn't happen in PS4 to PS4 Pro.
And PSSR will also be in PS6 in the form of PSSR 2 or similar name - again, something that didn't happen before.
Now
PS5 Pro launched more than 1 year ago, and still there are problems with it's PSSR tech.
It's only well implemented in some 1st party games, but 3rd party devs are still giving it a HUGELY wide birth in ... what...70-80% of 3rd party titles? Even new ones launching now either lack support or have a faulty/fake implementation.
What would happen if PS6 launches in 2027 with PSSR 2 in tow?
Heh... Sony won't be able to convince every dev to adopt PSSR 1 until then, much less to change gears again and adopt PSSR 2.
So the PS6 would end up with 1000$ cost (minimum) and a new tech that won't be used for years to follow.
And it will still rest comfortably on PS5-era graphics titles to fill up it's portfolio, not being able to fulfill buyer's expectations... yet again!
What's the point then? If new tech will be useless for a few years, and previous gen will still be king 'till 2030, why the hell should clients pay 1000$ to upgrade in 2027?
AND if people won't buy the console in sufficient numbers for a few years after launch, if Sony doesn't make a profit during this time, what's the point in them launching it in 2027? Or even 2028 for that matter.
Why not give PS6 a few more years in the oven to allow the PSSR 1 to mature before bringing PSSR 2 in the game?
And launch it correctly, with desire from gamers and marketing that will prove true instead of the fake commercials that PS5 Pro now "benefits" from.
@Foxhound your ps5 maxed out 2 years ago with all those games that can't hit 60 FPS like elder ring
@get2sammyb Exactly, this RAM situation may last 5+ more years, if so then Sony can't wait that long especially if Microsoft release their console in 27/28 as Sony will not want to lose any market share. Also publishers and devs may already have games planned for this console and will not want a delay.
No need to bring out a PS6 Sony aint worried about Microsoft.
I think that it doesn’t help that the first two years of the life of the ps5 was covid. That delayed everything (which is why we have all these great games coming out now), but it also made the console feel like we just got a ps4 pro-pro. Since most of the games in the early life were just ports and remasters. I mean, how can demon’s souls still be the best looking game on ps5 when it was a launch game. I love my ps5 and I feel like we are only scratching its potential. Add that it’s been hindered by the cross generation push, these incredible games get held back because of it, thus making it feel less of a new generation. “Oh what’s your new iPhone do? It has a third camera lens” it’s cool but until we get more from this machine I feel like it hasn’t earned its right to retire
I might agree if there were no Pro, but it's just going to start finding its feet this year, and I feel like it easily has another good four years in it. Three minimum.
Cost is the main reason. As I get older with more responsibilities, shelling out so much money on anything for myself is a rarity. And for a small evolution in graphics? I'd rather wait.
You mention you don't have to buy it, but then you buy it halfway through the next generation, and the next is round the corner!
@get2sammyb
"if you don’t want a PS6 at launch, then you’re not inclined to buy one."
The user doesn't HAVE to buy one, but once a generation starts developers tend to target the new hardware. So the user either has to upgrade or not play the latest games.
So the longer the PS5 generation goes on, the longer we can be sure we have the hardware for all new releases.
Any serious reaction to a rumoured delay of a rumoured release evokes confusion. PS6 was established as a distant prospect the moment PS5 Pro was announced. PS5 itself only came out four years after the preceding "upgrade", three years into the ongoing Gen 9 - so why is PS6 expected anytime before 2028?
"I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times."
I only don't spend one full week because affording that long on a home console before retirement is easier said than done in general. But I do unshelve my PS4 from time to time and spend what I can dedicate to it just fine - most recently, on a portable 11.6" screen to boot.
There isn't the biggest jump between a game like Horizon 2 on the PS4 and most mid-range PS5 games. This gen also got off to a pretty slow start and hasn't come down in price at all yet. The PS5 should be around to the end of the decade because all a new console will offer is diminishing graphic returns and some sort of horrendous LLM integration.
I think this sentiment is driven by a feeling that the PS5 hasn’t been utilised to its fullest potential yet relative to the prices of the machines. I also think that’s strongly linked to perceptions about how Sony has itself utilised PS5 for first-party software, and possibly a frustration that not “enough” of those games have been released.
People are coming to the realization that hardware generations are not an advancement like they used to be, and the opportunity cost of real money going towards this hobby may be better spent on other pursuits. Many older gamers I suspect also have worrying and lengthening backlogs.
@Andy22385 yeah, PS4 was horrible off the bat, especially with the CPU being so bad they literally had to overclock and unlock two additional cores for games in the first year of a release. It was lagging UI, choppy gameplay and majority games were forced at 30 FPS and it wasn't even good at it too. PS4 pro on the other hand was what original PS4 was suppose to be from the beginning. PS5 was great, but I have no remorse switching to PS5 pro once the ps5 started struggling.
Ps6 delay is going to be costing them big, just release the console as it is and adapt prices to the market conditions..maybe we will see console prices dropping with age like it should be..
The PS4 only feels slower now because we've experienced PS5. PS5 is our baseline. The only thing we can do with PS6 is speculate.
It's because we're getting to a point where each generation is merely iterative that longer wait times for new hardware aren't a bad thing. A longer wait time means more capable hardware.
Thing is, what deficiencies in the PS5 need to be addressed at this point for most users? You could say that we need games with RT running at 4k120, but do we really? Most people don't have displays higher than 60Hz.
I understand that you live and breathe PlayStation. I don't make a living playing it and writing about it, so new hardware doesn't excite me. The experience I get from the hardware is why I play, and that typically comes from the software. Good hardware should basically be invisible - it should provide seamless interaction with the software, and PS5 has achieved that better than any console in years.
There's also a growing sentiment for making things last. If I buy something, I want it to serve me for a very, very long time. A PS6 launch starts a ticking clock on the PS5.
We're never getting a PS1 -> PS2 level jump again. Getting excited for a new PlayStation at this pont is like getting excited for a new iPhone. It doesn't make any sense to me.
@Dragon83
I was referring to the rumoured fairly small power difference between PS5 (particularly Pro), and PS6. I have clarified the comment I think you read.
I think you are referring to PSSR2, rather than FSR2.
@graymamba
The Pro purchase is looking to be a great purchase at this point, just wish I had put my hand in my pocket and did likewise.
Anyway all this euphoric reaction is from tourists, or so I read on twitter but it may have been about something else.
I feel like we have yet to see a true next gen game (as ridiculous as that may sound). I can wait another 5 years - easy
If they had it run all Playstation discs 1,2,3,4,5 only then it would be worth it for me, and convince others of its value. But if they don't do this or something reaaaaaalllly interesting with it I don't think its worth it.I'm still slowly playing Ps Exclusives for Ps5 Never played Gow Ragnorok, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Returnal, Death Stranding 1 or 2, Gran Turismo 7 I haven't even played most PS5 games I want to.
@MB81 sounds like your issue then? If you aren't worried about graphics and performance why are you worried that you will buy a console that's half cycle in?
Get what you can get and stop worrying about chasing the trends, meanwhile for people that can chip that extra hundred bucks to cover the ram prices I see no reason to delay the hardware. I have no reason to chip extra hundred dollars on ram too to enjoy the best in the market.
@themightyant
Most games have a 60fps option now, true. The point is that you don't have to go back to the PS4 to find examples of 30fps locked games. And certainly on my PS4 pro a lot of games could run at (mostly)60 fps. I was just disagreeing with the articles premise that going back to play games on the PS4 was a hugely inferior experience.
@dodgykebaab Looking at the PS5 gen most developers still released their games on the PS4 for a few years so Id say it's not really an issue. Also those games that are exclusive are still going to be there whenever you decide to buy the console.
I've been happily playing my PS3 way more than my PS5 this whole generation. Yes loading times take a little getting used to and the DualShock 3 feels tiny, but the graphics still hold up and the variety and quality of games easily beat the PS5 in my opinion.
I think it has more to do with consumer spending power than anything else. No one wants to buy an upgrade that is being speculated at a price of $1000-ish USD.
While the PS5 has made huge leaps for use of access, games haven’t really seen much of a technological leap either. The early generation wow factor of Rift Apart and Dualsense utilization of Astro’s Playroom was largely swapped for games that play a lot like PS4 games with less loading times. I mean, the majority of the tentpole PS5 games have also been on PS4, so I’m sure people are suspecting there may be no real need for an upgrade any time soon either. I mean, stuff like Genshin and Fortnite literally have to kick players off PS4 to get them to upgrade at this point.
Unless Sony makes a very compelling price and software argument for why people should upgrade next generation, I expect the upgrade rate will be slower than this generation’s already slower than usual upgrade rate.
Personally, I make more money than I did in 2020, but the cost of goods feels incrementally more expensive, so that is a hurdle for me.
You just answered your own question in the article. The changes between gen are evolutionary, You said that we are hitting diminishing returns but you only looked at it from a graphic perspective, when in reality we are hitting diminishing returns from every perspective.
Look at resolution, a PS6 isn't gonna target 8k because frankly 4k is extremely clear. A PS6 can target 120 fps but the jump that people felt moving from 30 to 60 isn't gonna be there either. PS5 gen addressed all of the major pitfalls of console gaming. If say PS5 gen wasn't capable of ray tracing at all I would understand the argument but even that isn't really a big deal. Add the long cross gen period on top and its obvious why people feel that the PS5 hardware hasn't been completely utilised.
Imo its not the long dev cycles but rather the long cross gen period and if this is going to be the standard moving forward then maybe it is better that the console gens are longer.
@Cambrius But it IS a hugely inferior experience on PS4. Often a shaky 30fps and super long load times. Those are the two massive jumps this gen. Other things like better resolutions, graphical presets etc. all round it out to make a large enough difference imo. I tried playing my PS4 over Christmas (it's at my dad's house) and ended up playing via cloud on PS Portal instead because the framerate and load times were such a shock.
@Bamila Elden Ring is just coded poorly, FromSoft have never cared too much about stable performance. It's more of a dev issue than a PS5 issue. E.g. One modder fixed Bloodborne on PlayStation devkits.
Though as Digital Foundry said PS5 Pro is the best way to play now on console as it's mostly 60fps but crucially holds above the VRR line at almost all times, whereas previously they said the only way to get a mostly stable framerate was to play the PS4 version on PS5.
@Fiendish-Beaver they can't change the components anymore as deals have been signed long ago, the manufacturing been ramping long ago for components, the researches been done long ago. It doesn't come cheap, just to make a new dye for console can cost about 30-40 millions of euros.
Everyone talking about ram prices when they also forgot there a component shortages as well. Even if they got the system out at $900… It would be so little supply. Go lucky even remotely selling a $900 console when you can only produce 1 million units and it was bought up by bots. The longer the delay, the bigger the chance people who want one regardless of price can actual get one. This why the Switch 2 was so successful. If you want one, you can buy one.
It's a rumour of a rumour. Who says that 2028 wasnt the original target year. I'm sure Sony has a plan for the PS6 already. Devs might not be so eacher aswell to jump to even higher development costs this time.
I don't think the answer is really all that complex. People are not celebrating for the benefit of PlayStation, they are celebrating an extended period of time with games guaranteed to come to PlayStation 5 as consumers.
I think the cross-gen idea is neat, and I will personally be riding that wave for as long as it will take me on PS5, but it's going to suck when the next Astro Bot, Ratchet & Clank or Final Fantasy is exclusive to the new-gen hardware and inaccessible to me.
So, I'm celebrating because I have some (much needed) additional time with one of my favorite iterations of console hardware with the caveat that I will not upgrade to a PlayStation 6 until 2029/2030 anyway.
@themightyant elder ring is just one example of about 200 other games that came out after the elder rings.
If I'm being honest, updating hardware is probably my least favorite part of gaming as a hobby. It's more of a necessary evil as opposed to something I look forward to.
So you're never going to see me celebrating a new console release. They are a means to an end. I need the console to play the games. The games are what I celebrate and right now games run great and look great. Be happy with what you have I say.
Also with the RAM prices being what they are, I'm more than happy to hear I won't be tempted to buy new hardware for an obnoxious amount of money any time soon.
This isn’t a situation like the Nintendo Switch where basic games are struggling to run. On the contrary, it seems that very few games are getting the most out of this hardware. On top of that, what else can be done that’s going to make me want to upgrade right away? I guess it would be nice to get a proper handheld capable of running games natively. But that’s obviously a few years away, at least to get in a price point for the masses.
Would buy the handheld tomorrow, but not really feeling ps6 is needed right now just as ps5 has started to find momentum. The state of play was a clear demonstration of that.
Dont get me wrong, I'd probably look to get one nearish launch - particularly if smaller and they sort some of the design issues i have with PS5
I just think Sony would be better off waiting out the current RAM crisis and continue building on PS5 - make people WANT to upgrade - i don't feel many are at that point yet and would be put off if they had to invest in yet more hardware. The games are running just fine as they are.
Where was the " i'm ready today for PS6, screw all the haters still waing nee releases on their Atari 2600's?
Still enjoying my "crusty old" PS4 no problem. This sentiment says more about people's attention spans than anything else, I think.
For me the year does not matter. The PS6 and new XBox needs to have day 1 and within 6 months of release content. The way i see if PS 6 releases 2026 or 2027 there will be no games for it. I would rather the next gen release when the games are ready like: Elder Scrolls 6, Intergalactic, Cory’s new game, Final Fantasy 17, new Halo, new game from Ico creator, Physint and others i cannot think of right now.
With GTA 6 coming out later this year and Fable will really tell us if this gen is done depending on how the perform on current gen.
PS5 And Series X when released had no killer games.
Get me excited for Day 1 and release window then i will be ready for next Gen.
Otherwise we will be paying for new gen versions of existing games until these new and exciting games come out.
If these games won’t be ready for another 2-3 years then hold of the console launch till you have the content to support what will be (regardless of chip/ram shortages) the most expensive gen jump ever.
It’s always been about the games!
2028 at a bare minimum. A PS6 launch will only distract from fulfilling this generations potential, there is zero need for a next gen console particularly when there’s barely a handful of games that even stretch the PS5 Pro. It’s not championing standing still, it’s sticking up for this generation and wanting to walk before we can run.
I think theres a few reasons that some people arent excited to get a PS6 release soon. It feels as if the PS5 still has a lot in it, also because till recently a lot of games still got a PS4 version. Then theres the prices nowadays, i think a lot of people might worry about how much the new console is going to cost. As mentioned in the article, the difference between generations isnt as huge as it used to be, so people feel like they dont really need an upgrade yet. And like this generation, the first years the games will most likely be crossgen games which means the full potential of the PS6 probably wont be used yet. This is also why i disagree that a new console will push developers, i dont think it will. This generation also has the most buggy games at release and shows developers only get more lazy and rely on patches to fix a lot ( which in some cases takes way too long ). And last but not least, i think Sony has also lost a lot of goodwill with some of their decissions this gen, 1 example being the live service push that didnt go down well for a lot of fans.
I’m not sure how this is confusing. If the PS6 comes out in the next couple years, it’ll be stupidly expensive. Devs aren’t able to properly harness the PS5 properly as it is, so there’s just no reason for a boost right now.
Look at the amazing ports that have been hitting the Switch 2 lately. That console alone is proof that the PS5’s potential is being squandered.
I’m glad the 6 is (per rumors) delayed. It’s not confusing or odd at all.
It's really not that hard to imagine why people want it as late as possible, if games take years to make and get pushed back a lot, then so should the hardware.
Personally, I am push it back. I've enjoyed the Nintendo approach of not pushing power, I think development companies really need focus on optimizing development time and shorten life cycles between games. We used to get 2 or 3 games in a franchise on a single console. Now we get 1....2 if we are extremely lucky. Putting out a new console shifts the focus from optimizing current development cycle back to how develop for new console.
@Aniscape There will be no exclusives and in fact I’m of the opinion that if PS5 persists until 2030 or beyond like some have suggested it makes the probability of exclusives even less.
Assuming Sony CAN keep momentum for another four or so years (I don’t think they can) you’re looking at leaving behind ~175 million systems as opposed to the ~115 million in 2027.
@Jeremazing What if the new console is designed to make things easier?
Dear friend @graymamba
I also continue to enjoy my PS3 Slim and PS4 Glacier White Edition.
By the way;
PlayStation Move games are truly so much fun, especially "Beach volley" , "Tennis" ," Archery" , "Golf" and "Bowling"
ButterySmooth30FPS wrote:
But because the leaps in generational fidelity become less and less discernible, It's less of a "horse -> car" difference, more a "horse -> horse with a marginally glossier coat"
@Cambrius I disagree with your disagreement (lol) with the article's premise. For the most part, playing games on the PS4 was a significantly inferior experience. Some games on PS4 targeted 60fps and, on the Pro, some more. It was far from the norm however. The leading framerate was 30fps. On top of that, loading times were often terrible and the machine sounded like it could take off any moment.
There are still some games that are limited to 30fps on PS5, but they're more of an exception this time around, and even then you still get the benefit of much improved loading times, a much quieter machine, a much more responsive system interface, etc. Gaming on the PS5 is by and large a vastly improved experience compared to PS4.
PS6 will just be remasters of games we already played this gen and last (like PS5 was). Probably disc-less, unless you pay more for an add-on. Probably without a stand in the box, unless you buy one separately. Will it even come with a Dualsense, or will that be sold separately too? Who knows? Sony have no competition, so they can do whatever they want.
PS6 just isn’t appealing right now, when PS5 is good enough for the quality of content we’ve been getting.
I am a huge PS5 fan who thinks most developers haven’t pushed the hardware and never will because nowadays most live within the constraints of UE5 (which is a great engine but is a layer that keeps developers away from the metal that developers used to code to) and on a related note most are working on multiplatform games aimed at lower spec hardware (nods towards Valve’s recent comments about the average PC gamers as well as the success of mobile and the Switches).
It’s also worth noting that once upon a time arcade games and/or high PC games created hunger for future tech but arcades died decades ago and games built for high end PCs are no longer a thing.
Coupled with the spiraling price of computer components I think Sony would be wise to hold off on the PS6 for a while. Figuring out a way to make the PS5 more affordable (it’s crazy it’s a bit pricier than it was at launch) would do much more to grow the market than releasing even pricier more powerful hardware.
Anytime after or around 2028 for me, had the PS5 since launch then the Pro since launch so we would have had 4 years of each which feels about right to me.
I do however accept this generation has been poor from a 1st party perspective but there has been no shortage of excellent games for this generation IMO.
I guess you're just out of touch with people's financial situation. Not surprised.
@get2sammyb I think lots of people are broadly satisfied with how games look on PS5. They could definitely run better, but as other data have shown, the general consumer prioritizes looks over performance. On top of that, I think a lot of people still have sticker shock over the jump in price from PS4 to PS5. I'd wager people aren't chomping at the bit to drop a cool $1000.
The 'you don't have to buy one if you don't want it/can't afford it' argument is one so facile, so shortsighted, so utterly bereft of any insight beyond demonstrating the childish 'i'm a very good consumer and want my over-priced technology NOW! (and a pony!)' attitude that is helping ruin the games industry in general, that I'm quite surprised the author is apparently a senior member of staff on this site!
After 821 votes, the average date of the poll is November/December 2028 (with „2031 or beyond“ calculated as 2031).
Sounds like a very reasonable launch date!
Ps5 needs to notch several more wins on the games front before a ps6 is launched. It takes longer for games to come out, so should consoles. The pro is still pretty new anyway it would feel like bad form to launch another console already. Then factor in rising costs. The new system will surly cost a good amount more. Longer system cycles just make sense.
idk it just doesn't really feel like the PS5 (especially Pro) is old hardware yet at this point, like it did with the PS4.
If a delayed launch means the hardware is more up to date or the price is lower, then yeah, do that. But I guess it could easily mean neither.
@get2sammyb
I wasn’t talking about exclusives. I was talking games for any system. All the games i mentioned can come out for PS6, New XBox, Pc, Switch 2…the point was that a new gen of consoles should not come out without at least these new games being ready day 1 or within 6 months of release.
Hope that clears it up 😀
I'm not too sure why people seem to think the PS6 coming out later will some how make it any less expensive. The ram situation probably won't be any different in the next 4+ years and added with inflation and we have now hit a point where it will be more expensive no matter what.
I get the people who are using the argument that there haven't been enough games to really show off what this generation can do but sadly we have also reached the point where in order to do that games will take several years to actually develop because of how much is in them and how many people you need working on every little detail.
It has now started getting to the point where a large percentage of people won't be fully happy with new hardware unless it offers a noticeable leap from the previous generation and right now unless there is some kind of miraculous breakthrough it's just not feasible.
I think you answered your own question in the article the other day Sammy. You are more bothered because from a business perspective its better for you to have a steady stream of news to talk about, and the seven year cycle works well for that.
For users however we only care about the end result and know that the PS6 imrovements will be marginal, more so if you own a Pro. I can't think what feature is realy missing from the PS5 Pro, so what do I really need in a PS6?
Also I fail to see how any console improvements would result in shorter dev time. I think the dev time is just what it is for games these days and no amount of console development is going to take us back to 2-3 year cycles.
Yeah, who wouldn't want to play the inferior version of a game when there is a better version of it around./s "You can wait for the cross-gen period." is not acceptable for a lot of people including me. Therefore there not being a new console for at least 1 more year the best option since it would help us to feel more satisfied with the price we paid for our current gen console and clear head space since we know this is the best it can be.(All talk is for console ecosystem.)
All that said, I would like 2028 holiday season. 2029 feels too far. 2027 would be the norm and with 2028 it would be just one more year which can be tolerable since the gen had a long cross-period before we saw PS5 only games.
We are in a good spot in terms of production values. Especially on Pro.
Don't get the rush for a new console. As u say they're iterative rather than transformational. So how big will the jump from the PS5 Pro to PS6 really be? The PS5 Pro is a great console and I don't see the need to replace it currently. It's not like there has been a massive development that has happened in the TV world either. Like we have 4K 120 TVs, and 8K hasn't taken off. Native 4K games don't seem to be what Sony is aiming for with the implementation of PSSR. Do people remember the outrage when the PS5 Pro price was announced! The PS6 is going to cost as much or maybe more with the current issues.
@thechetearly love the thumbnail, Long Live!
I think the game Devs need a chance to catch-up, or figure out how to make profitable games in the current climate. A new gen would bring even higher expectations, which would presumably mean even higher development costs and times. It's barely sustainable as it is based on current news.
No celebration from, just apathy. I have enough games left to play to last for a few more years.
If we just had the PS5 I would like next generation soon.
But the PS5 pro is proving along with PSSR when done well to being very good.
General population is struggling with their finances. Nobody needs to buy again the same promise for 4k ray tracing games. If sony wants to postpone the ps6 release is a wise move cause they have all the metrics and the analytics to back this decision.
They are also making more money selling older hardware.
I feel like I'm in the minority here but for me the jump from PS4 to 5 was a huge breakthrough, even though I'm still playing games that released originally on the 4. The improvements came where I value them most: feeling of immersion and effective use of the precious little free time I have. DualSense and the fast SSDs make the PS5 so far better as far as I'm concerned that I never once looked back after switching from the 4.
I'm looking forward to the PS6 and will try to make a switch as soon as possible. The fact that the 5 and 5 PRO still have a lot to give is just good news for those of us who wish to stick with them longer, as they will be able to better cope with PS6-first developed games (think how even now games are released on the 4).
Postponing the new generation will not solve any problems of the PS5 (whether they be real or just a mismatch of user expectations and reality).
I still play on my crusty old PS4 all the time, Sammy. It does the job brilliantly. Easily one of the best consoles of all time.
I think from my view and quite a few others in the same situation as me, we see it as the last generation of physical media and thus the last one we will stick with Sony and PlayStation as a platform holder.
I have no digital library on my PS account, so don't feel trapped in their ecosystem. The longer this generation lasts and the longer games are optimised for the PS5, the better it is for me. It also gives me a nice long tail to collect from with PS5 games oddly being quite good for playing from the disc.
I'm tired of edging forward with specs and expensive upgrades, with constant re-releases of games over generations.
A big shift is coming and the owners/contributors of this site, Pure Xbox (and to a lesser extent) Nintendolife would do well to prepare for an industry more focused on individual releases instead of platforms. I like these sites and the communities and hope they can adjust and thrive.
I bought PS5 couple months after release. Scalpers etc... PS5 PRO preordered and I am generally satisfied. Yes, I can afford that purchase, but it expensive one, for sure. And I am waiting for PS6 asap. Will it be delayed? Nothing to do. But I will not clap my hands to see it delayed. I enjoy games, I want to play best games on best console. I dont get that look of console as "investment" I have to get value back or else.
@Scottyy Just because the console exists doesn't mean you're obligated to buy it. If a superior version exists and you want to play it then clearly you're in the market for a new system more than you think.
It's like if PS5 was delayed God of War Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West would have still come out, you just would have played them on PS4.
How is this situation any different if the PS6 gets delayed? Whatever they've got planned is still coming out and will still be cross-gen.
We need to get to a point where the game engines are well optimized before evn thinking about better hardware. Look at ps5 pro for example. Still cant run all games properly, not taking advantage of the extra power and PSSR properly.
I think it's a pretty privileged take to view this as people celebrating; it's people relieved. Money is tight everywhere, and even the biggest fans would rather continue enjoying their investment. Most people don't care about "brand momentum," and releasing a product that fails the market readiness assessment will result in demand elasticity concerns and a very soft launch. That is far more damaging to a brand than delaying their product for a year or two.
I imagine the PushSquare teams get their systems comped (at best) or as a tax-write off (at worst). But for the rest of us, it'd be nice to enjoy our consoles that still haven't hit their peak without feeling we're missing out, and Sony surely wants to avoid the optics of hardware sitting on store shelves and news stories of historically low adoption rates.
PS5 is still struggling with its identity issue so let a few more games come out and add to the library. I'm only in a rush to get the new handheld!
I'm not celebrating it, but I honestly don't care if it's pushed. I personally have no interest in a new console when this one feel still feels untapped and I'm also not interested in spending another $600 on minor gains, or whatever it would hypothetically cost.
Is console gaming about "forward momentum"? I've actually been playing my PS4 recently as my son hogs the PS5. The funny thing is, I'm playing even older titles then that on it, RE0 and Arkham City, and you know what, I don't care. 60fps is great; 30 is not a deal breaker. Though I will concede returning to load times does suck
The forward momentum I want to see is teams iterate on the same hardware gen, and other than Insomniac, no one is really doing that.
So yeah, long live the PS5.
How can anyone be confused by this? The world is in a terrible economic state, and focusing on developing a next generation console would be a huge waste of attention and resources, given only a small percentage of the population are even in a position to purchase one. Why not focus on what's already out, and improving the quality of service for those who have a PS5, and don't feel the potential of it has been fully reached?
Hankering for a PS6 sounds like a privilege issue, not a common sense position.
There's still plenty of life to squeeze out of the PS5. outside if better graphics, framerates, etc, I don't really know what innovations in gaming a PS6 could bring to us that PS5, especially Pro, can't handle already. This is especially true with the types of games coming out these days. There are far fewer games relying on bleeding edge tech to ingratiate themselves into the ecosphere. 8k Fortnite? Nice, maybe. But needed? No.
As someone who's owned ever Playstation system since PS1, I am happy to wait.
I think most people are aware of how long it took this gen to take off and the PS5 Pro is still a relatively new console that is good enough to be considered state of the art. We have no need for a PS6 right now or anytime soon. This isn't the 90's and 00's when we had rapid and noticeable advancement, it's easy for me to play PS4 games and have them look better than a lot of PS5 games. There is simply no need to be upgrading hardware routinely anymore. We can last a long time on this current gen hardware and it's not like there is a ton of games pushing their capabilities right now anyways.
The arrival of a new machine unavoidably creates a sensation of FOMO. Even with the discipline of knowing not to buy at launch, the worry that your hobby is leaving you behind is there. Given how much this generation has stalled and how expensive everything has become, I completely get why no one wants a new console and count myself among them.
A lot of people here behaving as if they were forced, as soon as a new console drops, to buy it. And then Sammy is supposedly the person out of touch.
Maybe it's ps5 pro owners wanting to get some more use out of their pointless expensive 'upgrade' before a superior machine come out
I’m sure Sony would love me to spend a small fortune on a new console with virtually zero difference to game performance and graphics.
I learned my lesson this gen that being an early adopter is pretty pointless anyway. I’m waiting for ps6pro to come out before I buy anyway.
I have a question…since when have consoles stopped being for the average consumer? I mean xbox is talking elite system for the next one and not sure what PS6 is planning but consoles are meant to be for everyone. Elite graphics was always the PC.
Now don’t get me wrong i welcome more powerful consoles but when the time is ready and economically viable. As more of us that are gaming are becoming adults we forget when we became fans…as kids. What average parent is going to get their children a $1,000 plus system to play games? Nintendo Switch 2 may not be the pinnacle of technology but it does not have to be. Systems need to strike a balance for the adults and the upcoming generation of gamers. Take away that and we reduce the adults who still want to play in the future.
PS5 and series X should come down in price, get it into as many hands as possible then introduce next gen with games ready to roll when it comes out at a competitive price point otherwise we are going to lose the next generation of players.
I don't have any strong feelings on this. At the moment, I don't feel excited at the idea of a new console. It's Sony's job to make me feel differently, once they're ready.
Complain about cross gen titles then wonder why people want the ps6 pushed back more. Brilliant stuff.
As an addition to my earlier comments, I'd say this:
The PS5 Pro may be impressive but it will be held back by the PS5.
The same thing happened to the PS4 Pro being held back by the PS4 base (although the support for 4K & super-sampling was an obvious visible step up).
The PS6 will be a generational 'clean break' for new tech and no doubt will fix all the problems that the PS5 Pro is suffering with on some games as the console will be designed from the ground up with enhancements to PSSR and so on and games will be designed with that in mind.
@CaptD you might still get lucky mate, I reckon that there’ll still be a sale or two before their current contracted RAM runs out.
Maybe you have a lot more disposable income than the average gamer Sammy?
What's wrong with wanting longer out of the console you paid over £400 for?
I personally would welcome a delay into 2028 or more. Get that most out of ps5 before going next gen and then having the early life cycle issues of scarcity and lack of games
We should just boycott it and not buy it til 2031 🤷♂️
Have them complain about low sales, and what a bust the PS6 was.
Then maybe they will listen to the consumer instead of burdening the consumer to hit their marks.
Imagine just those try hards go out there and in 3 years they sell just 1 million units, and have them sitting on the shelves for years.
They will be begging the consumer what they can do to increase PS6 sales..
Lets UNIFY GAMING COMMUNITY and stick it to the man!!!!
Exactly, @Bamila! And that is precisely why celebrating a delay makes absolutely no sense. The costs to Sony to change the components in the PS6 now would be astronomical. Therefore, we might as well have that tech in our hands now, than wait for it, only to find when we do get it that it is massively outdated (in tech terms). And as I said, if you don't want to buy the PS6 then you do not have too, the choice is up to the individual...
@UltimateOtaku91 Absolutely, we can have it launch and not buy it in 2027.
Then when many of us do feel obliged to upgrade and move on from PS5 to PS6, it'll be more expensive than it was at launch again.
I personally would welcome a delay into 2028 or 2029 as it only just feels like this generation has gained momentum in terms of both games and performance. I mean it feels like the Pro just come out yesterday!
With the ecosystem Sony has built with the Portal, PSSR etc I think releasing a PS6 next year would be madness. Regardless I think the Pro will tide me over for a couple of years at least but in terms of games I'm hoping this generation still has some bangers to throw our way.
I mean we are STILL getting PS4 releases...
Goodness there are a lot of comments. Didn't even try to read them all so don't know what the overall view is from Square's users but here is my two cents.
I think it is a good thing that it is delayed. I am hoping that this will drive creativity among developers (both indie and AAA) and have them be bold with gameplay mechanics, aesthetics, and story. Everyone is moving to UE it seems and games are all starting to look similar in style depending on genre (i.e. everything is being fortnitified, cartoonish with GaaS, and all soulslike are essentially the same look, etc.). Even though the system will be the longest generation yet, it will mean that we will see some amazing things squeezed out of it because developers will need to innovate to stand out. I don't expect much of this from AAA but the indie devs are already killing it and I imagine they will be able to astound with the extra years before the PS6 now. At least, that's my sincere hope.
i mean i get it this is a website that reports video game news , and we all know the ps6 is coming at some point. but i feel like the issue is how things are worded these days , the ps6 hasn't even been officially announced , so how can something not official be delayed when it was never really give a target date? i am excited to see how pssr 2.0 works out , i feel like they should keep playing around with stuff like that on the ps5 pro , and that in the long run will make the ps6 even better.
@Boomers-r-us people are more willing to buy a new phone than a console though.
..even I’ll admit we’ve hit diminishing returns. Console upgrades more closely resemble smartphones these days: they’re becoming more iterative and a lot less transformative overall. But iteration doesn’t mean meaningless. Smaller, quieter, more powerful hardware..
🤣🤣🤣you're not helping to convince me on a new console with that spiel.
Lots of people only got a ps5 within the last couple of years (including me). The ps5 is an unbelievable piece of tech that I’m still yet to see a game max out its capabilities. Load times are super fast, graphics for me personally are unreal. Unless the ps6 can directly insert the image into my eyes, I see no reason to upgrade for some time yet.
@get2sammyb
The main difference is the release time day and date. If PS6 is around the release of new games it will be much harder to justify not buying a new console when there is superior version.
But if PS6 is delayed and games come out for PS5 then I don't give a ***** about PS6 versions because the time I play that game on PS5; it will be the best version. For example: Does anyone have any doubts about Intergalactic: Even Better edition for PS6? No, but it doesn't matter because it won't exist for a few years and I can enjoy it in its best form possible for the 2027 release. I bought PS5 Pro when I had the chance for example to play new exclusives better etc. and I think Pro version of the console play a significant role in peoples' perspective about "We don't need new one for a few years".
Do you get what I mean? You never have to buy new console for cross-gen stuff but it is much harder to justify playing it on inferior console when the superior version exist at the same time and with the delay that situation will be delayed for 1 more year. I bought PS5 for Miles Morales even though I could play it on PS4.
You'd like to think the would change a component here, or a component there, @Oram77, but the device is built as a whole with each component impacting another, made to sing as a choir, not as a solo. In other words, you cannot just change one component without potentially having to change several others. It then means that the costs in redesigning the device costs so much as to make it unviable. Better to release the PS6 as currently envisaged now, than release an updated version in a few years time because as much as it would be nice, and indeed better, to have a later model, the costs of the earlier model would still need to be recouped somewhere, and the chances are they would add it to the asking price of the PS6 anyway, so you would be paying a premium for the device, which could have cost less had you had it earlier. I just don't see Sony doing this because to alter the PS6 now would likely cost them hundreds of millions of pounds and they are not likely to want to swallow that cost themselves. They will pass it on to us. Like it or not, we are going to get the PS6, as originally conceived, and not one that has been changed later down the line. If it is not going to change, then we might as well have it now, and not wait for it. And as I said, people do not have to buy it if they do not want too.
As for technology having plateaued, I agree we are not going to see massive changes no matter when it arrives. If you really want the next PlayStation to feel significantly different from the PS5, you are probably best to get the PS7 and skip the PS6 altogether, and even then, the changes may not feel all that impactful.
The difference is, that usually the components come down in price meaning that when you upgrade, you are usually paying the same or just a little more than the previous generation. That's not happening right now, and indeed, it may not happen for some time, if ever again. We are in very uncertain times, in that regard...
@Haruki_NLI That's because of issues thats out of Sony's hands, just like the Switch 2 which is rumoured to be getting a price increase soon. Everything that needs RAM is going to continue to get more expensive every year for the foreseeable future.
@get2sammyb Costs, and the fact this gen has barely been able to justify itself. If you can't recognize those two things... Wow dude. Plus Sony has barely bothered to release anything this gen either. "📦 8K ready"... 🤣 🤣
The PS5 has only just now felt like it's hit its stride and is fully justifying its existence. If the PS6 were to launch now, we'd have generation crossover for absolute years. We'd still be getting PS5 versions of games until 2030.
The uncomfortable truth is that people are broke and tech prices are out of control. If the PS6 launched now, it'd be wildly expensive. It's just not a good time to launch any hardware.
This combined with the fact that the PS5 felt pointless for years. It was a very common sentiment for a long time that the PS5 generation felt like it hadn't gotten off the ground.
Plus, if I could say something bold, the PS5 is good enough. Graphics are amazing. Performance is good. Storage is fast. The controller is nice. How are you going to convince me to buy a new console? We've hit cell-phone levels of upgrades not being worth it. What headline feature can the PS6 offer?
Unless PS6 is going to revolutionize the way we play games or do something else beyond just prettier graphics that PS5 simply cannot do, I’m really not in any kind of rush to move forward. This from someone who bought both PS4/Pro and PS5 at launch.
I’d rather have the AAA industry look at what smaller games are doing if they want to avoid ”stagnation” and I don’t think you need better ray-tracing to do that.
I know how long the PS5 has been out. My brain knows how long I've had one. But it feels like this generation is just getting started. I don't know whether it's because PlayStation hasn't bothered to release many games this gen or whether it's because there was so much crossover between PS4 and PS5 games or whether it's some sort of shared hysteria but a lot of people seem to feel this way.
Personally, if you told me PS6 was 2030 I'd be absolutely fine with it.
@johncalmc Same, honestly. My PS5 has been sitting next to my TV for absolute ages, but every time I think about the PS5 or see a new PS5 game my brain tells me the PS5 was released six months ago.
@Rich33: Yes, that's true of course and I do understand both sides of the argument. I'd still buy it. My reasoning is a little selfish because I skipped the Pro and now don't have the newest thing under my TV.
On the other hand the PS5 might be the last "pure" PS console without all the AI stuff under the hood...we can see on the amount of comments that people have strong opinions about all of this xD
@get2sammyb I think for me, which you don’t seem to acknowledge in your article, is that a delayed PS6 means that all of the games released between now and the delay will be 1. definitely released on the PS5 and 2. Made specifically for it. If a PS6 releases, say next year, then certainly ps5 owners might start missing out on some games, and sooner than they would if the PS6 isn’t delayed. I realize many games are cross platform, but even at the beginning of the PS5’s lifecycle, we had games like Astro’s playroom and Rift Apart (still one of my best experiences on the PS5) that were exclusive to a new platform. So a delayed new PS6 guarantees that I get all the games between now and the hypothetically delayed PS6 (I hope 2029/2030). This of course adds perceived/experienced value to the PS5 (and Pro) I already have, and adds to it for years to come. A delay for the PS6 then guarantees there aren’t any exclusives I will miss between now and the delayed launch. Of course, maybe the exclusive games to PS6 get delayed to and don’t get released on PS5, this is possible. But not guaranteed. Whereas a delay to the PS6 guarantees I won’t miss any releases from Sony between now and then.
"Maybe I’m increasingly out of touch"
Yes.
Tech improvements show clear diminishing returns and most people are not thrilled to shell out probably close to 1k (if not more) on a new system that is barely an upgrade just to play the latest games, and merely a few years after the previous system.
Not to mention that with how long dev cycles are getting the damn thing would probably launch with close to no games and have frequent droughts of first party content.
@Scottyy I agree!
@VeganH i mean there is only so much that can change over time , but i compare it more to pc's tech gets better faster , and runs games much better and they can be more complex. its like if you compare a ps4 to a ps5 to a ps5 pro , you see that little detail completely change how the game looks imo, and makes the word feel more alive , like last of us or hoizon are both good examples. and honestly as some one who has a decent gaming pc , i feel like the gap between a decent pc and a console is closer then ever , except consoles no matter how expensive they get are still much cheaper then a gaming pc.
@get2sammyb How do you know there won’t be any exclusives to the PS6? Even the PS5 had exclusives…Rift, Astro, Demon Souls…and those were just the ones around launch
I just dont feel like I've gotten my money's worth out of the PS5 yet. Also, the cost of living crisis is a thing. I need time for people to screw their heads on straight and vote the parties that actually give a damn and will do something about it, into power first so that I can actually afford one.
To answer you question Sammy. We be broke. Lol.
Sammy is very out of touch here, apparently. People don't want, or even have the money, to spend several hundred on a new console.
For me personally every extra year of ps5 is an extra year of physical game support. The ps6 will probably only have an optional drive, further incentivizing publishers to skip physical release.
It’s disingenuous to suggest that upgrading has always been optional. Cross-gen releases began in earnest with PS5. We are in a new frontier of incremental upgrades within the console space, and consumer sentiment has collided with economic reality. That’s the answer.
@UltimateOtaku91 You could say the same thing about the PS3/PS4 cross over period.
But plenty of games from day one were PS5 only. ratchet & Clank, Demons Souls, Destruction all-stars/
if it releases in 2027 it will be closer to £1000 than £500 and at that price it wont sell well
Sammy, allow me to offer a respectful critique...Your argument of "just don't buy one at launch" is largely missing the point behind the sentiment. It's not simply a matter of affordability, timing, or having seen the generation come to a satisfying conclusion in its library's breadth. It's also a matter of practical necessity.
Many games load instantly now. Many publishers clearly aren't even using all the power that they have available to them. Many studios are struggling with ballooning budgets and shrinking returns on their investments. MANY games are having trouble finding their audiences. The VAST majority of players are spending their time with OLD games.
The fans who read this site know the industry is entering a really uncertain time. It's been that way since Covid, and it's only getting stranger and more uncertain. I would wager a bet that most of the readerbase here is old enough to have seen a few console generations. They know intuitively that a new console won't make that uncertainty better; it will probably make it worse.
Looking at the industry broadly, as well as what gamers are engaging with, there doesn't seem to be a practical NEED for a new generation. Most of the things that PlayStation players would want from a console are being met with the PS5. Its almost a perfect machine in terms of meeting the needs of its customers. I'm a relatively technical person, but I can't think of one major thing that I would ask for in a new PlayStation that I would actually use.
@sanderson72 I'm with you about the PS6!
The general sentiment here seems to be disagreement with Sammy.
Personally, I think his opinions are based less on being a gamer and more as the editor of a gaming news website.
I don't think anyone is really eager to pay $900 for a performance boost when people like me have a ton of games backlogged already. I like PS5 a lot. The only gripes I have are the weak dualsense analog stick modules and there being separate trophy sets for PS5 upgraded games. Other than that, I see no real reason to upgrade unless PS6 launches with like Bloodborne 2 or something lol
@LifeGirl makes sense. Forever onto the next big thing in order to make content (which is not a criticism, it’s their job).
There are multiple reasons why I'm cheering for a delay:
1. As many have said, I don't think game developers have really pushed the system to its limits. Whether that's the base PS5 or the Pro, I don't think we've seen what developers can do if given an actual limitation, rather than throwing new hardware at the problem. Maybe it's rose-colored glasses, but back in the NES/SNES days, the games got better-looking over the lifespans of those systems because the developers got better at exploiting the hardware.
2. Again, as others have said: the game development lifecycle has slowed dramatically to the point where the bigger developers are putting out somewhere between 0 and 2 games per generation now. That feels silly. It makes sense to draw out the generations further than we used to so that developers can actually target current-generation hardware.
3. Overconsumption. As with other technology, we're too quick to eschew the current hardware for the new, shiny thing. I fell for this when I bought the PS5 Pro. Granted, I'm happy with what I got, but I could have gotten along fine with my launch model. I know I'm not alone in this. The new thing comes out and you just gotta have it. If PS6 comes out before 2029, I probably won't get one right away. Not everyone would have the same self-discipline and telling people to "just not get one" is easy to do, but not terribly effective in the face of modern marketing and scarcity tactics (which is why we have the acronym FOMO now).
4. Diminishing returns. The PS4 -> PS5 upgrade was good, the PS5 -> PS5 Pro was also good. Necessary? I don't know. I'm old enough to have played an Atari 2600 when I was a kid, so modern graphics seem like a miracle now. I'm more interested in a smoother gameplay experience (60, 120 fps) than something looking photorealistic.
i got a ps5 pro, and this time I'm not buying a ps6 day one.
I'm just gonna wait, the thermal paste on my day one ps5 melted off so fast
Let's not forget that there is no rule around generation length. There was 6 years between Ps1, 2 and 3, 7 years between Ps3, Ps4 and PS5 so why wouldn't there be 8 years between Ps5 and Ps6 ? Nintendo made the jump from the Switch 8 years after the release of the first Switch, the Switch was released in a haste 4 years after the Wii U.
Sony waiting a year or two from what is expected isn't a bad sign at all, we don't have to HAVE another console every 7 years, if the technology leaps makes more sense to wait a year or two for it then let's wait. Sony marketed the PS5 PRO with The Last Of Us Pt.II a game from 2020 that was first released on PS4, yeah it played at a lower resolution and lower framerate but the game still looks damn good and the difference between the PS5 Pro and the PS5 version is honestly marginal, I'm playing Death Stranding 2 right now and it looks amazing on a normal PS5.
The PS4 Pro was a real upgrade, bringing 60fps to some titles or the resolution update to match the advance of 4K back in the mid 2010s was really needed. What did the PS5 Pro brought ? a cleaner 4K that you can only notice by pausing the gaming and zooming on a still frame ? more consistant 60fps when most games already hit that ? All of that for 900 bucks.
So what now ? a 1000 buck Ps6 with even more diminishing returns. If most people can't tell at a glance if a game is running on a PS5, PS5 Pro or PS6 do we really need a PS6 ?
Added to that the dev cycles are getting absurdely long, long enough that some first party studio might actually MISS this gen entirely or we should consider ourselves lucky if we get ONE game from them. So what if we get Intergalactic in 2027 then the next Naughty Dog game is coming on the PS7 ?
At the end of the PS3 we could tell that the machine was giving its all with games like Uncharted 3 or The Last Of Us, the jump to the PS4 and PBR rendering method was huge, the difference between The Last Of Us on PS3 and The Last Of Us Part II 7 years later is huge, 6 years after The Last Of Us Part II... ? most game looks the game. You're right about the original PS4 being a bit slow and dated, that's why a PS4 Pro was created, by the end of the PS4 life cycle I was honestly worried my console might die when playing God of War or TLOU Pt.II I could hear the fan struggling to keep the machine running, 6 years into the PS5, I'm sorry but I don't see it, I haven't seen one game that takes the PS5 to its knees, I haven't seen one game that felt a bit held back by the tech inside the PS5.
Whats so confusing? People are poor, just look at PS5 Pro. You have so many people shouting into the air that they dont need it, its ridiculous.
PS6 being delayed gives those people feeling of having the latest hardware for little bit longer. So ofc its celebrated.
@Katsuhono you’ve obvs not played dragons dogma 2 then lol
I get both sides of the conversation.
I get where Sammy is coming from where it may stump some of the games that'll release that could use the better archetype the PS6 has. But I can also understand when people say that they feel the PS5 hasn't hit it's ceiling yet as a console, especially with the PS5 Pro not fully utilizing the PSSR.
@GamingGod I have not ! But from what I gathered and I might be wrong, isn't it more of a troubled optimized game rather than something that truly struggles to be played on PS5 ? I know the RE Engine has had some troubles lately with Monster Hunters Worlds aswell. But again, I haven't played either of those if they are truly next gen experiences and not current gen with optimization problems, I stand corrected !
The poll results are truly melting my mind. Almost as many people want a PS6 FIVE or more years from now as they do next year.
That's freaking bonkers to me. Absolutely bonkers.
It absolutely has not lived up to expectations. Worse weak first party support in any generation of Playstation. Now they have time to turn it around and get it sorted. Some of your studios have not delivered a single game in this generation. Get it done. I want my.moneys worth out of this machine. Now they got the time to increase its first party output. And no excuses. Tired of how lazy and out of touch this Sony is of today.
I anticipated this and bought a PS5 Pro on sale at Christmas. I expect to get several years of life out of it, even into the beginning of the PS6 era honestly.
I hope Sony releases the PlayStation 6 next year 2027. I'll be buying a PS6 day one and like the PS5 the PS6 will definitely be backwards capability. You don't have to buy one until you want one. But I honestly believe Sony will release the PlayStation 6 at the end of 2028.
Im fine with waiting. Especially because if the ps6 were to come out next year it would probably cost $800 lol. We live in a time where the next Xbox legitimately might cost $1000. If waiting helps to get costs under control im all for it.
@bindiana What "full potential" do you think that's yet to be tapped? The PS5 started hitting roadblocks years ago and we have seen plenty of games that are impossible for last gen consoles. Also the past 3ish years has been mostly current gen only with the only smaller indies and the odd AAA game like COD that has seen last gen support.
I agree that they should delay it until 2030. We don't need new hardware at all right now. The PS5 is plenty powerful enough to produce great looking and running games, and the diminishing returns with new gaming hardware these days makes each generation feel less and less of an improvement. It's genuinely astonishing to me that anyone would not understand that. To the point where I feel they are being disingenuous in claiming that they don't understand why people would want them to wait.
@ChallengerxUK in my opinion, Returnal is the best exclusive they've had all generation. It's a fantastic game of course, but in any other generation, no WAY would it have been the best.
@Americansamurai1 yeah, you can't account for the stupidity of people changing their phones quicker than I do my underwear 😩 don't judge me too harshly 😃
It seems logical to me since I'mve argued for stretching the longevity of the PS5-era purely from my own opinions and habits.
I can do without a period where I am on a 'last-gen'-machine, which I would be if the new hardware launches sooner rather than later.
Further more, being such a CEO myself, I can't help but think that Sony will capitalize on the lack of pressure to come to market with a brand new machine. They can sell way more PS5/PS5 Pro hardware. They aren't splitting up the user base so everyone can safely invest into the software they want to play. I have to assume that launching a console is an expensive endeavour and coupled with the fact that development time and cost has ballooned it might be a boon for Sony. No longer will a high tide raise all boats, you need a stabile current to coast on.
Also, I totally get why you want it from your point of view it. You even wrote it yourself, you want it due to professional wants and desires, but what are you expecting as a consumer yourself?
As for inspiration for what to write about: What problems do PS5 have that ought to be fixed in the next iteration? That question alone can generate a lot of articles. For example, we need to put pressure on Sony to deliver controllers with less propensity for stick drifting which has been the bane of my PS5-existence.
@armondo36
I need to play it more, I dabbled on it. But thanks for reminding me hehe
I'm happy about it. Money is tight and with the current trends my PS5 Pro will get ports of PS6 games for years after release anyways. So what is there to be excited about with the new system anyways?
@get2sammyb People don't want to spend $400-800 for marginally better hardware that would make their current hardware out-of-date. Especially when that current hardware never felt particularly pushed to its limits. ESPECIALLY-especially when the 9th-generation standard is perfectly acceptable to the majority of players, and gamer/developer sentiments are increasingly moving away from uber-expensive cutting-edge graphics.
This is a gaming scene where the Switch and Steam Deck are perfectly suitable places to game. PCs, despite already being significantly more powerful than a PS5, really aren't outputting insanely impressive visual spectacles. I don't really know what's confusing about this.
I get the whole, 'you don't have to buy it off you don't want to.' But if they don't want to buy it, why would they want it to come out anyway? Why wouldn't they rather the PS5 continues being the PlayStation standard until they get their fill, and then they can get a more noticable computational boost at a better price at the end of the decade? I reckon that's perfectly sensible.
I'd also like to add that after COVID and the component shortage the first few years of the PS5 were WEIRD so for most people it doesn't feel like we're in the sixth year of the console, purely based on that. Things don't seem to be winding down, quite the contrary.
For me it's about the handling of remasters/remakes and pricing.
PS5 and more recently Switch 2 has shown that when new hardware arrives, last gen remasters/remakes get prioritized over prior generations. For example instead of Infamous remasters, PS5 got a Ghost of Tsushima remaster. Instead of a New Super Mario Bros. collection (DS/Wii/3DS), Switch 2 got a Super Mario Bros. Wonder remaster.
That starts all over again when the PS6 releases like you'll likely see TLoU 2 Remastered remaster. That's boring, it's much more exciting when options are running out and you have to delve deeper like how the PS5 God of War Trilogy Remake means God of War 1+2 are finally on the platform.
As for pricing, people here have already talked about at length how the RAM crisis will make the console itself really expensive but I think PS6 will also normalize $80 base games (Nintendo will take all the flack because they started it with Mario Kart World).
not only is ps5 the worst playstation ive ever owned, but pc really put a massive dent in it this gen for me.
Article seems out of touch with real people and reality.
PS5 and especially the Pro have barely been pushed. Escalating costs and diminishing returns. Still getting getting PS4 versions and endless remasters.
Why not just enjoy the console we have??? What is the PS6 going to bring? Just want good games not more expensive hardware over and over.
Article is so out of touch imo.
Other consoles have not launched during a global pandemic. Supply shortages and the economic downturn caused many people to get the console a lot later than normal. I want the PS6 to be "delayed" until they can ensure to the best of there availability that it does not happen again. As a Canadian the PS5 Pro cost me just over $1200, i am worried to see how much higher the PS6 would be with everything currently going on.
I think the article writer here is out of touch.
The economy is *****, computer parts are way overpriced, the job market is the worst its been since the 2008 financial crisis. Who will benefit from a new console? All it will do is create FOMO and cause people to buy it for an incremental upgrade that wouldn't be worth it - or alternatively, people WON'T buy it and it would be a huge disappointment and possibly put Sony in a bad situation.
Most importantly, game development times are longer than they've ever been. Raising the bar for what's expected for a console game will only exacerbate that. Devs haven't even reached the potential of what's possible on PS5 yet.
Not to mention how well the PS5 has been selling recently. Lots of new owners - why would these people want a new console to be released right after they just picked up this one? I'm sure it's great for game news/review websites, but no one I know in real life is ready for a PS6.
Edit: Starting to think this article is just engagement bait after reading through the comments. Lots of incendiary language in the article which is clearly unpopular and riles people up.
I can’t say I have seen any of the ‘euphoria’ that Sammy talks about to be honest. What I have seen, is many gamers, myself included, saying that they are not too upset about a delay in the PS6 release.
And much of that comes down to the fact people don’t have disposable income these days. Gaming has always been an expensive hobby but now it’s astronomical!
Also, we have the PS5 Pro which is gradually getting to where it should be - the differences are now notable after the recent upgrades - and there are still plenty of great games coming.
From a developers standpoint , any delays will just give them more time to get used to the hardware. I think that Sammy is assuming - erroneously - that because the release is delayed, the dev kits and consumed article will be delayed - and that’s not the case. Releasing it to the mass market and having it ready for devs are two massively different things.
Sure, it’s disappointing that the next gen may be delayed but I don’t see anyone being euphoric at all. At best , people are being realistic of a situation that is the fault of the greedy - Nvidia - yes I’m looking at you!
Okay one last thing.
I would also argue that a game taking full advantages of a possible PS6 isn't on the console itself but on the developper. I think we've seen it this gen, some developpers just don't have the ressources to exploit the full capacity of the machine.
Games takes longer and longer to develop, not necessarily because they get more complex but more often than not it's to match a level of fidelity that takes a f*ckton of ressources. A better machine doesn't automatically means better looking game right at the gate. Spider-Man 2 looks better than Spider-Man 1 but it also cost tripled the budget, does it look "triple the budget better" ? Personnally I don't think so, what does a Spider-Man 3 on PS6 looks like ? A 700$ million dollars games that has better leaves and cans textures or a bit more detailed people in the streets ? Just for it too look barely better than the previous one while revenue expectations skyrockets even more. 80$ games, 100$ games ?
No confuses. Fare! Because we barelly have ps5 native games. And you guys already want a stupid ps6?! We still have too much to play on ps5
"May be out of touch" lmao. Yeah, maybe a little
@TizeruBon the PS6 cost I am sure will be immense. But I am not sure what it would bring to the table if it came out next year. Do we need more and more ray tracing, path tracing (whatever this stuff is) and higher and higher fidelity continually at a cost of insane money and longer and longer development cycles.
Or do we just really and simply want good games and stories to enjoy.
2030 fine by me.
PS, lots of games NOW on the PS5 look stunning. Indiana Jones, Cyberpunk, Resident Evil games.
Well, you'll never catch me defending the 'iPhonification' of game consoles like that... What a nonsensical article. People just want to see the PS5 generation reach a peak before it wraps up. Also, if game development is taking longer than ever, then shouldn't console generations also last longer? I guess it's just natural...
Probably because nobody is in a rush to drop another $500+ on a machine that will probably barley look better or do anything innovative.
Unless the PS6 is going to be a really groundbreaking leap it's going to seem redundant and unnecessary right now.
Not sure why it's so confusing or baffling. PS5 is still good and if it's not enough for you the pro exists. We don't need a ps6 and especially knowing how much it will cost with the current climate I'm baffled that you are.
I don’t want to pay 1200$ CAD or more for a console that might release in 2027, especially since accessories costs will also rise and they might also pull a ***** move like making you buy a proprietary/new generation SSD, rendering your current removable SSD in your PS5 useless, those will sell for another 1000$, so no thank you! It’s mostly ill advised in this economy.
Yeah, there’s exceptions, like the Switch 2, but people were willing to pay more cause they waited a long time to upgrade. It was a significant one, mind you. I don’t see any realistic reason, other than the skyrocketing prices that might affect sales and the will of the people to continues spending on next gen consoles. It’s okay to wait a little bit more. I’m not expecting greater performances, I’m expecting an affordable alternative to PC gaming and good games.
Aside from a few issues, I find the current performance okay across the board, they should just keep optimizing and pushing great games, that’s all we need!
I can’t say I have seen any of the ‘euphoria’ that Sammy talks about to be honest. What I have seen, is many gamers, myself included, saying that they are not too upset about a delay in the PS6 release.
And much of that comes down to the fact people don’t have disposable income these days. Gaming has always been an expensive hobby but now it’s astronomical!
Also, we have the PS5 Pro which is gradually getting to where it should be - the differences are now notable after the recent upgrades - and there are still plenty of great games coming.
From a developers standpoint , any delays will just give them more time to get used to the hardware. I think that Sammy is assuming - erroneously - that because the release is delayed, the dev kits and consumed article will be delayed - and that’s not the case. Releasing it to the mass market and having it ready for devs are two massively different things.
Sure, it’s disappointing that the next gen may be delayed but there has been no euphoria, just people understanding the situation.
Yea, lets boycott Sony. Let’s also stop Apple from making new Iphones, BMW from new car models etc. while we’re at it.
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@charliecarrot
"All it will do is create FOMO and cause people to buy it for an incremental upgrade that wouldn't be worth it."
Yes, yes, and yes... console gamers do not want to change consoles like smartphones. That's just not within gaming culture. Let the upgrade option exist when a real upgrade exists.
If even the PS5 Pro isn't justifiable these days, let alone a new generation so soon... it would be an imaginary leap, an unnatural obsolescence of a generation that isn't done, that hasn't reached its full potential.
it is all about how expensive gaming has become that people do not want to see a new ps anytime soon..
Yeah, read the room.
@johnedwin It's that, but not just that... I think people would be fine spending a lot of money if they think the upgrade is meaningful... With higher prices, consumers expect bigger upgrades...
@get2sammyb Actually, something else comes to mind about this phenomenon. While I don't think there is this type of demographic info for your users on Push Square, I'd wager that the crowd, including myself, who posts here regularly are aging up. I'm on the low end of "middle-aged," but I know there are plenty of people older than me here as well. As time appears to move quicker as you get older, console cycles feel shorter and shorter. The pandemic also through the sense of time out of whack. It feels like I blinked and the year changed from 2020 to 2026. While objectively false, this console cycle feels like the shortest one, so people are less eager to move on.
But, I think the biggest thing that is lacking is there are zero games that have been announced that look like they necessitate a generational leap. The consoles, in and of themselves, are completely meaningless. What people want are games to justify the hardware.
If games start being announced and shown that clearly demonstrate a need to upgrade, excitement will increase, but without those, everything is hypothetical and uninteresting.
My question would be: Why do you need a PS6, just to play a slew of never-ending, anime-visual Gacha games? 😜
One main for that will also sour next generation sales apart from cost and others not seeing the need to upgrade is cross generation games.
It is well documented that next generation will see even more cross generation games and some say maybe all the way through the next generation.
This will reduce next generation console sales even more.
I don't think a delay more than late 2028 will be really viable as the specs etc will have at this point be set and has others have said it costs an arm and a leg to reset it all and delay to long and it'll be out of date ,as we know tech waits for no one ,there will still be loads of gamers that can afford it ,I think 1 year delay is doable but that's it I think ,gaming has never been cheap anyway ,economies will improve and balance out ,but I have to say the ps5 is a fantastic console and still absolutely love mine ,we will see where all this goes in the next couple of years
It's bad news for media outlets, but that's not the consumers' problem.
“Maybe I’m increasingly out of touch…”
Yes, yes you are.
Oh I haven't bought the ps5 pro yet but I will get it sometime this year let's really hope that people that couldn't afford ps6 when it does come out can afford it pretty quickly as things hsve been tough financially
There's no need. The PS5 is still expensive, still powerful and still nowhere close to reaching it's potential in terms of games. What are the problems/weaknesses that a PS6 would solve? What extra would it give us over the PS5? The limit for games is time, budget and dev skill, not hardware.
@wildcat_kickz totally agree with the rest of your comment, but just wanted to reply to this part
I often read people saying that they’re waiting for games that are a generational leap. Problem is, what they oftentimes mean are the generational leaps of past gens, but thats not gonna happen anymore because of games already approaching photo realism. All we’re gonna get is incremental iterations. But these iterations like path tracing or advanced AI require much stronger hardware.
In fact most games of today, running at 4K60fps with advanced reflection/GI ray tracing and textures already aren’t possible on last gen tech. So i don’t understand what leap people are waiting for. We’re already there, it’s just not a leap
I don't think releasing the PS6 this year or next year would be a bad move, per se, but I think it's better to wait a few years for this AI-driven chip shortage to settle a bit. I'm a habitual early adopter - it's a character flaw, really, because I absolutely don't have the income to do that responsibly - so I'll feel obligated by my own internal BS to buy a PS6 at launch. That would mean that, like my launch PS5, I'll pay close to a thousand dollars (if PS5 pro prices today are anything to go by) for a console with few to zero exclusive games given everyone's cross-gen fetish, maybe or maybe not a disc drive to play my old games better, and marginal at best upgrades over current gen.
Logically, yes, I should just wait a few years to jump on PS6 whenever it comes out. But gamers aren't logical. Just look at the existence of the PS5 Pro with its astronomical price tag and miniscule enhancements over base PS5.
“I challenge you to dig out your crusty old PS4 and spend one full week with creaky 30fps games and glacial loading times.”
My man, since the PS5 came out I’ve easily spent entire MONTHS using only my PS3 enduring those “glacial loading times” and not even at a solid 30 FPS, 155 million people who got a Switch 1 also have no problem playing with not the greatest textures and performance, what an out of touch take, it seems you live in a bubble of your own making.
@get2sammyb
I'm in agreement with yourself on this one (with the exception that I always believed 2028 was more likely the plan, just because it's 4 years from Pro).
Personally, I would want them to launch as soon as possible, but why should RAM prices stop them?
If say for instance the PS6 could have launched 2028 at £700, but the RAM prices would make this £850, then launch in 2028 at £850. Then drop to £700 or whatever in 2029.
They can be clear with customers with their intentions, and it will still sell - people with sufficient disposable income will still buy it, and those who can't afford it will wait until the price drop in 2029. It is as you say a choice.
(And for what its worth, I'm not 100% set on PS6 - but I need to see it running 1st)
Comment-tastic!
I didn't vote in the poll. I have no idea when PS6 should release, other than whenever PlayStation think that they've got a compelling offer to make customers.
My two cents:
I'm lucky enough to be in a position where I'll probably be able to afford new hardware whenever it releases, and will welcome whatever improvements it offers to my existing PS library of games. I'll likely buy a PS6 as close to release come what may.
That being said, I can see the upside in a next console generation being delayed. Devs could potentially benefit from some time spent catching up with current technology and learning some optimisation good-habits in this period, shoring themselves up well for when the RAM bottleneck has passed.
@LogicStrikesAgain I'd argue that the generational leap won't come from resolution or framerate, but in world and character detail. This is stuff like foliage/NPC density, animation complexity, path tracing, LOD improvements, etc. This is actually some stuff that I think AI could help with, if used responsibly. Stuff like the micromovements that people make in real life than an animator couldn't realistically animate, but AI could help fill in the gaps for. These are things that are incredibly subtle and wouldn't jump out as missing, but when stacked together could build a bridge over the uncanny valley.
It's because I'm not rich. The pricing of gaming only increases, sometimes in absurd amounts. The PS5 is a really expensive console here in Brazil. I'm happy with it for now, not in a hurry for another investment.
The hardware for the PS6 is likely locked in and unlikely to change at this point, whether they release it in 2026 or 2030. Given that, I'd rather have the hardware NOW rather than wait, all things being equal.
All things are not equal, however, given the market disruption AI is creating. Advances in home computer graphics are going to be stalled for a few years as RAM and GPUs are redirected to data centers rather than consumers.
Given that...I honestly hope they scrap the current PS6 plan and go back to the drawing board for a PS6 that's using new tech for 2030 or whenever, rather than 2025-26 tech that's delayed a few years.
@wildcat_kickz Exactly, i’d argue the same, but things like NPC density, path tracing, LOD improvements all require improved hardware, especially if you want to play it at a reasonable framerate or resolution
@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah, I think we're on the same page. What I'm saying is we haven't seen those games yet, so there's no justification for newer hardware. Once those start getting announced, excitement for the next generation will increase.
I don’t understand why it confuses the author. From a gamers perspective it is so obvious that there is no reason for a new console at all. From a business perspective it is a different story all together….. There will always be gamers that will go for the most powerfull/exiting/fastest console on the market (like the mobile phones) but without new games or only remasters/ remakes it has no purpose.
@McBurn
I'm not in disagreement with you.
But, I need to see what the PS6 can do - if it's not built around 90fps target for performance modes, then it might be a hard sell to me. It will also depend very much on what Sony are doing with their 1st party games (which I spend a lot of time playing), ie are they also selling them on PC?
I always go into each generation with an open mind between staying, or moving to PC if the new Playstation isn't powerful enough. I'm far more concerned for PS6 than I was for PS5.
I think the strong objections on AI dont really relate to the hardware in the PS6 (or PS5 Pro) - I don't like Generative AI or some of the other uses eg Chatbots, but I have no objection to how it will be used in PS6 as a calculation tool, providing Devs actually use it.
let me try to understand this... some people want the ps6 rushed to market so that we can wait several years post launch for another drip feed consisting of cross gen games (which already play great on ps5), remasters and remakes again? you want to experience the same lulls of the ps5 so soon? right when the ps5 is finally about to get off the ground and fulfill some of its promises more than 6 years after it launched?
yea, sorry, i am not understanding the appeal in that. to me it sounds like some people are simply too materialistic and addicted to inconsequential shiny tech devices to see what is wrong with that picture. the ps5 has been a big disappointment and sony still has a lot of work to do to prove that a ps6 even needs to exist. they are running out of bullet points in their marketing material. the ps5 is still 5-10 generational games away from fulfilling its promise and providing the value that playstation fans expect.
i won't even get into the pricing concerns and the fact that market demand is essentially non-existent for a ps6 currently. that conversation has been run into the ground several times over and is becoming exhausting.
anyone who thinks ps5 games look bad and/or outdated should really move on from consoles and invest in a $5,000 pc for those extra, insignificant frames and resolutions. they are clearly playing games for the wrong reasons and are tech enthusiasts first, gamers second.
getting your hands on a ps6 sooner will not magically correct everything that is wrong with sony and the AAA industry at large. that is the key takeaway here.
I am less sensitive to hardware performance than some and I only took the plunge on PS5 because my PS4 Pro had become too loud and unruly. The conversation is always games in my mind, and feel PS5 might just be finding it's feet in that regard 👍
@ButterySmooth30FPS - No, this would be a “why do I need a 2026 Honda Civic, when my 2020 Honda Civic works fine” conversation.
@LogicStrikesAgain @wildcat_kickz
I would be perfectly happy with games next gen looking more or less like they do now, with better image quality from a resolution/upscaling point of view in some cases, as long as they target 120fps ideally, and certainly over 90fps.
I am however sure there will be not be 'next gen' games as such - the games will be very much like this gen, just with higher framerates / Image quality (including via upscaling) / added features like RT at higher framerates, better LODs etc.
Lets be honest, a number of Devs are struggling to get their games running at 1080p native (pre upscale), at locked 60fps on PS5; and virtually no game (unless it's from Insomniac) features decent RT at 60fps(+) .
@Porco - I agree with you. I think Nintendo did it the right way, they went 8 years before releasing new hardware. They pushed the Switch until the hardware sales started to trail off before finally releasing new hardware. People were begging for the past 5 years for a pro model or a hard refresh. Sony needs to do something similar, hold out until PS5 sales start declining and people are begging for new hardware.
The prices of admission are very high, at this point it's a pretty big investment so people want their money's worth. I only got a PS5 at Christmas and as someone still on a 1080p telly, I'm really happy with the graphics and performance. To be honest I'm playing a lot of PS4 games with the improved performance so not personally wishing for another expensive update to what PS5 offers.
I think this delay is for the best. Recall that Sony is rumored to also be releasing a PS5 handheld. I'd rather buy the handheld this year or next, and wait till 2030 for the PS6 console upgrade.
Why is it when there are articles about Xbox's next console coming possibly next year theres no none moaning about how too soon it is, yet a similar article about the next Playstation and all of a sudden it's a problem. What have Sony turned their "fan base" into 🙄.
@Rich33 I think image quality (in terms of resolution) is perfectly good now and devs would be foolish to target anything above 4K, since almost no one has TVs or monitors that could support anything higher (and I doubt anyone will for the foreseeable future). Higher frame rates would be nice, but I don't really see much of a need for anything higher than 120FPS. As I said in an earlier comment, the general consumer seems to favor resolution over frame rates, anyway.
I'll kind of just reiterate what I was saying before: I think the "next gen" features won't be super noticeable at first blush, but could be quite substantial. I'm talking about complex behaviors and more reactive/smart AI within games. This is mostly CPU-bound stuff, rather than GPU.
I'm not sure if you've played ARC Raiders, but the behavior of the ARC in that game is really impressive, leveraging machine learning in interesting ways. This is a real step up from the typical cannon-fodder behavior you see in most other games.
If they take that principle and expand it to NPCs, humanoid enemies, flora and fauna, etc., that could be really, really immersive and groundbreaking.
@UltimateOtaku91 yeah I agree. It's a hard read on here at times. Way too much negativity and you just know a lot of it isn't genuine. No harm in criticism and complaining about decisions etc but with some people it's just everyday, every post.
We don’t need a new PlayStation yet. My launch PS5 runs and looks great. I also believe that the improvements on PS6 aren’t going to be as drastic of a change. So letting the PS6 cook longer only means a better launch and maybe even a better machine.
BECAUSE WE’RE ALL SKINT SAMMY!
I for one am celebrating a ps6 delay. Management screwed up this generation with multiple live service projects, and now they need to make it up by giving us the games we deserved in the first place, on PS5.
Whatever happens, Sony has to release their handheld sooner than later. If they wait too long, Nintendo will pull out the Switch 2 OLED and likely have their heavy hitters (3D Mario, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing) already released, which will make it hard for Sony’s handheld to make waves. I’m not expecting the handheld to rival the Switch, but I do expect it to sell at least 20M units. People make fun of the Steam Deck’s sales, but that console isn’t traditionally sold in retail stores.
@Kiltedhaggis A lot of people here seem to have the mindset of “I don’t want it, therefore it shouldn’t exist!” There’s nothing stopping anyone from sticking with PS5 or earlier, but they have parasocial relationships with a gaming company and feel victimized by decisions that don’t benefit themselves specifically. I guess it makes a bit more sense considering those who shell out $500+ for a console and restrict themselves to only a single studio’s titles….
It’s all very weird.
Tbh the most fun I’ve had gaming in the last 6 months has been re-buying a PS3, a bunch of games and having my pick of so many things to play, all for like a third of a PS5, so actually I’m quite happy for now. Yes I really miss having rest mode with the PS3 but the loading times aren’t that much of an issue.
@UltimateOtaku91
It's a different situation with the next Xbox.
There was no mid-gen upgrade like the PS Pro and the next Xbox looks like it's going to have something different to offer over Series SX other than more power.
Where is the rule written that says a new game console has to come out every 6-8 years?
Seems a bit out of touch with this site's readership.
@ButterySmooth30FPS If someone doesn't want to replace their PS5, it behooves them to hope the industry does the same. A PS6 means the PS5 is outdated, and will likely lose support and never be the target platform of any game (i.e., less games and worse performance). I wouldn't dismiss those trying to get their money's worth on a purchase as weird, parasocial loons. If anything, I'd say this comes from a place of practicality; 'I bought a thing, and I don't want to be put in a position where I feel the need to replace it when I know it still has plenty of life in it.'
To me, this is more the philosophical debate between those who'd rather use a phone until it brakes versus those who buy them yearly to be on the cutting edge. And sure, that comparison does emphasize the, 'don't buy it if you don't want it' argument. But still, to those who don't want it, why would they care for it to release any earlier than they'd think to buy it? And, more importantly, these are different industries. It's more akin to a situation where a new phone release means it's direct predecessor is going to lose update support sooner rather than later. Where, for the sake of self preservation, anyone with the intention of holding onto the old phone would likely bemoan the new phone as cause for their phone losing value. Which sounds reasonable to me.
Anytime between 2028-2030 is fine by me, many people I know have only just gotten around to buying this generations iteration when they were last on sale, around Black Friday and run up to Christmas.
Having worked in game development previously, most developers will be happy to have the delay of working to a crunch and pressure of a release cycle coming sooner anyway.
I know it works in the media’s favour to have something to write about, but then I guess that speaks volumes if there’s nothing of note and value to speak of regarding this generation on the whole.
The next generation is ray-tracing done to a finer quality and path tracing. Along with the choice of 60 frames a second more frequently.
For the most part, that’s it. Most textures can be improved this generation, animations and load times. Many of the flaws we see in gaming this generation aren’t due to the lack of horsepower yet due to the lack of knowledge, effort and time.
Take Sackboy a moderately acceptable adventure, that took multiple studios (as listed in the credits when you complete the game), combining their assets, their time, their schedules, time zones, software, talent, ideas and disagreements and so forth a while to pump out a game some solo people are managing to achieve elements of in Dreams from their own sofa.
I mean seriously, it shouldn’t take millions of pounds, hundreds of people and multiple studios to make a platformer that offers nothing much in the way of what hasn’t come prior.
They aren’t reinventing the wheel here. Same goes for many a game this generation. It’s excuses, not the requirement of a new console that’s an issue.
@RoomWithaMoose Except your line of thinking is contrary to that of many in this comment section. To them, hardware and software tech has already peaked, so there won’t be this big wave of “next gen” beauty to look forward to. Technological advancements aren’t real to them, so why would they feel bad about missing out on something they don’t even believe is real?
I feel like the pandemic really stifled this generation and we haven't really seen the full extent of what this gen can do. Also, given RAM and other component prices, nobody really wants to think of an $800 console. (My guess of what it would cost if it was released in this environment.)
@Stonecold730 you are just trying to trick us so you can get a ps6 at launch.
There is no delay... It was ALWAYS going to be AT LEAST 2029
There is no point to release it before 2028-29 because the game development cycle is just too long. But it also shows how much the gaming industry has changed. I'd prefer for PS5 to have more exclusive games, that games would come out faster and for PS6 to be announced in 2027, but alas. The whole AI chip crisis in a sing of the times as well.
@ButterySmooth30FPS I guess... I haven't thoroughly read through this comments section, so I'll have to take your word for it.
However, given that Sammy's own article addresses diminishing returns and reduces the PS4 to PS5 transition as "evolutionary rather than revolutionary," only citing faster load times and better frames as reason, is that take really so far off? I don't think anyone expects the PS6 to provide some jaw-dropping technological leap, and a lot of people just don't see the point otherwise and don't value the marginal improvements it might provide.
It's because everything is too expensive and this gen barely feels like it's even started
@DazzaUK1985 nice! love to see another fellow ps3 enjoyer. the ps3 is a great console , with great games! lots of games of that era that today can’t produce plus some hidden gems. i’ve been playing my ps3 more than ps5 myself
I would rather see some more new games on PS5, it feels like it's barely started, and maybe that's because of the pandemic supply problems, but I think mostly because it takes so long, with many hundreds of people, to develop the great games. If we wait to 2030, then maybe we get GTA7 on a PS6, and don't have to wait until the PS8. With streaming apps on Smart TV's, consoles have lost their cd/dvd dual purpose rationale, so it really is just about the games, and chopping / changing machines every few years doesn't give developers a fair chance to get to grips with the hardware, so we are left with mediocre games that never use the machine's full potential, which renders any improvement over the last gen pointless.
For journalists I get it new console news time, & you have to keep up with things, different for customers, unless retro content journalists.
Methods not power. Why are people still not getting this?
More time devs have, longer dev cycles (their own fault for taking too long to make their games unless planed out for the next ones afterwards). Devs have more time to adapt to PS5 and cut PS4, that's totally fine. Many have. Having more devices makes things awkward.
We aren't talking Dreamcast/Vita 1st party/still 10 years support of 3rd parties, 1998-2007 or 2011-2019, but who pays attention to those?
I got Wii U Feb 2018, Vita Jan 2017, 3DS Feb 2020, Switch Dec 2021.
Silver Skies Umbra used Wii/Wii U peripherals till USA eshop closure aka balance board removal news. But how many write off Vita because it didn't have THEIR favourite western IP/1st party? That's ridiculous isn't it? Games were still going even if less western production console either.
Gameboy had releases like Pokemon late before the handheld was dropped. Cough cough 1989 to 2003, Gameboy Color was 1998 or so, GBA was 2000/2001. Famicom aka JP NES had repairs till 2003.
We got PS1 2000 to 2005, or PS2 2006 to 2013 (unless you were interested in God of War 2 or others still on there), who talked about the PS2/PSP ports compared to PS3?
Or journalists want news to report on. How many 'ceilings' of next console do people want? Price? Spec? They can wait. We don't have to upgrade for FOMO. 360/PS3 to PS4/Xbox One some looked blurry, others didn't and were well designed 2013-2015 releases. Longer generations can still last 7 years. PlayStation supports their consoles every 12 years before cutting support of disks, eshops, whatever other services. The other 3 platforms have theirs.
I've played many PS2/PSP/Wii ports and had fun with their gameplay with their decent SD visuals over HD versions with graphics first and subpar gameplay. Aragon's Quest, even for an average game, the SD visuals look better and the bloom makes it look ugly on PS3.
Open worlds push games and however much is rendered on screen compared to MP maps or SP levels that could be easily loaded into RAM, just like Vib Ribbon did with Audio CDs to generate levels, or any other PS1/N64/Saturn, etc. games in their ways of doing things, all at once, or like open worlds do just segments and how they go about it, just on a more primitive level with hallways/during cutscenes, etc. linear games have always done. PS1 to PS4 solutions.
Devs are taking their time to release things, due to the technologies they want to engage with. I see no issue.
But some of us want them to use the hardware more, release games, not struggle to balance more devices.
I personally find if their game already sucks it doesn't change my opinion of cutting support for PS4 with all the detail they want to shove in or not, the game still sucks and I still won't buy it when they care about environment details mostly as the reason, or lighting, or shadows, and not gameplay/animations or level design interactivity when we have graphics/empty worlds that 'look nice'.
MP games reduce/focus on 1 mode and scale them up with cosmetics/garbage, not so much mode/rules depth do they? Exactly. Or just add them like usual of modes but people still go into Deathmatch for a quick match or the rules just work.
Load times to me on PS4 I don't care about. Same with Switch. Even the games i play aren't all big scale either, or big file sizes.
@get2sammyb You are being very oblivious to 2 facts:
1) Whenever PS6 releases, optimization for PS5 stops being a priority, it’ll quickly become into a situation that “if you don’t want the game to look blurry or run at steady 60 FPS just get a PS6” instead of further optimizing for one platform, it already kinda is with PS5 Pro, specially for third-party games, I’d say that right now Switch 2 ports are demonstrating how important optimization is and how underutilized the PS5 has been for 5 years already.
2) No one is “forced” to buy new hardware, but we also don’t want to be pushed into it yet by making some games exclusives for PS6, which is bound to happen because otherwise why jump generations at all?
The only real argument put forward in this article for a new console anytime soon is to "push developers forward" this simply doesnt track with today's world.
Which devs are being held back and need new hardware to push them forward? Nobody has got remotely close to maxing out the ps5's capabilities nevermind the ps5 pro.
Console lifespan has typically been fairly consistent because the rate of advancement remained consistent, that is no longer the case. Undeniably, the advancements have dwindled but the key thing is average development time needed has substantially increased.
Gone are the days where you saw whole trilogies of games release on one generation of console, some devs are now struggling to get a single game out in a typical generation. This is the key reason why nobody needs new hardware anytime soon. Naughty dog were getting uncharted trilogy and TLOU out well within the ps3's lifespan, at present, we'll be lucky if they get a single game out in the same timeframe.
I dont think i've spoken to a single person who is eagerly awaiting a new console. Its funny that the article mentions console improvements being more comparable to incremental improvements of mobiles as I also think the consumer demand for those products echoes phones too. It used to be that everybody wanted the latest model every year and hardly anybody was more than a year or 2 behind but nowadays it feels like (at least comparatively) nobody really cares as long as its got the basics and people are happy to stick with what they've got until they're forced to replace it
This entire article seems incredibly out of touch to me, but I will accept that perhaps it is i that is out of touch.
Part 2:
I don't care about load times in old games as they didn't push as much garbage outside/inside objects, particles, lighting, shadows, etc. PS4 onwards does and while it annoys me I don't care how much less objects and visual graphics tech solutions they offer and such load times. Crack in Time is better than Rift apart and do the same things, Minecraft maps with teleports do too on an HDD. I still don't care about RT lighting/reflections, I'm fine with baked in reflections and lighting honestly.
Particles, other environment details and character models, animations, etc.
If the core is good it's good, regardless of visuals. That's my point.
So to me I think it's clear with PS5 5 years in is fine. We aren't talking Dreamcast/Vita with 1st party and still 10 years of support, 1998 to 2007 or 2011 to 2019, but who pays attention to those? People like me. XD I don't buy late releases much but even still. I have with PS4 compared to any other gen. Wii U and others were for other reasons, Indies still used the gimmicks up to the eshop closure even. Silver Skies Umbra did despite balance board removal support.
We got PS1 2000 to 2005, or PS2 2006 to 2013 (unless you were interested in God of War 2 or others still on there), who talked about the PS2/PSP ports compared to PS3.
PS3 was 2006 to 2019, PS4 is at it's end point of 2013 to 2027 or so. Timing of the PS6 or not compared to the others.
PS2 had Fifa 14 with PS2, PS3, PS4 after all.
I am ok with PS4 games still, I find current gen isn't that exciting at all (not just because of devs time and adapting to the hardware still, I just mean in general) but game design has changed and I just have to be more picky now with my purchases then I do purchasing more retro games with the game design I seek.
Just stay off social media. I realize you, the author, probably can't because of your job. But for anyone else. I'm blissfully unaware of the next Gen console discourse. I'm someone who loves tech toys so I'll be there day 1 regardless of when.
@IOI That simply is not true. What Sony releases run like crap on Ps4? The fact is, with backwards compatibility now a given, they were never going to leave 100+ million ps4 owners in the dust with poor optimization. That's too much money to leave on the table. Even GoW Ragnarok ran really good on ps4
To be honest I find it really hard to care about another generation of PlayStation. I know there will be more great games and the industry will trundle along as it has always done, yet I don't see a new generation doing anything radically new, especially if our culture generally doesn't move on from where it is now.
The PS5 was pretty much a radically improved version of the PS4 with enhancements like haptic feedback giving it a particular USP. I do feel the PS6 will innovate again, but I don't think gimmicks are enough to stave off the eye-rolls from me. Gaming is a beautiful hobby and on PlayStation it's full of epic potential and great engrossing games, but personally I want something audacious, not just with the gimmicks but with the games too. I want them to be fearless, I want them to put a finger up to the culture we've cultivated with weird, whimsical and comical ways.
We've decided to accept the soft approach and we've accepted PlayStation gaming isn't ever going to eclipse the PS2 in terms of audacity, so we'll likely keep seeing the same kinds of games perpetuate themselves. We've got to remember we aren't stupid and we can't let SONY think that we are, otherwise games like CONCORD will come out and we'll reject them straight away. What I'm saying here is we should demand more and understand that we shouldn't be manipulated and should question everything. Of course questioning everything is exhausting sometimes, but having a pulse on what you'll accept is an important thing.
I want to care about games again big time, and if the PS6 accomplishes that then kudos to it. I guess it'll need to churn out games like Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch and tone down on pretentiousness and quip-heavy games, but hey there can be room for everything really, but my point is it just has to be a massive evolution to be worth the price.
anti-capitalistic statement:
PS5 is enough as a platform.
Games are taking too long to develop.
@oc1d this generation was plauged with many issues including the pandemic , and developers have cracked down on time crunching forcing over time on teams to crank out games much faster.
"More importantly, here’s the part I really struggle to understand: if you don’t want a PS6 at launch, then you’re not obligated to buy one"
Yes we're not obligated to buy one at launch. But even if we didn't buy it at launch, looking at a new console who launch with $400-500 price tag is a lot more compelling compare to looking at $700 price tag.
I mean, which one do you prefer; spending $700 just for the console or $700 for the console + a couple of games + additional controller?
With this economy, saving $700 only for a console alone is really tough. I'm sure Sony wants PS6 to be affordable to many people so they also can spend money on buying games. Remember, games is Sony biggest revenue not the hardware.
The key question that I think should be answered before a new console gets made is this: what do game designers want to do in their games that can't be done with current hardware?
I only got my PS5 a year ago, so I know my view of its age is askew, but until developers hit the wall of what it can do, I'd rather see the weird creative stuff they come up with when they're fully versed in its capabilities.
@charliecarrot “Starting to think this article is just engagement bait after reading through the comments. Lots of incendiary language in the article which is clearly unpopular and riles people up.”
100% agreed, and it’s the second article like this that I’ve seen here in the last few days.
Very surprised and disappointed by the change in editorial quality recently; this site is at its best when it’s gamer-first. I guess I’m feeding into by commenting though.
Wow never seen this many comments on a article since the PS5 launch era, for the most part people are bring up good points for both sides of the discussion. At the end of day only time will tell what Sony decide to with PS6.
If GTA VI releases with only 30fps being an option, A LOT of people (myself included..) are probably gonna change their tune regarding the PS6.
PS5 is that quiet friend that would be nothing without his loud friend PS4. If PS6 won't be compatible with PS4 then it will need heavy library of catchy launch titles, because PS5 is known for it's PS4 compatibility, not for it's self reputation... and later in history PS5 will be almost forgotten...
This is a clickbait article in the purist sense
And rob myself of the opportunity to see people eat their words about the PS5 Pro? Because that's all we're getting for a while! lol
But seriously, the Pro is updating this year and will likely be extremely important for the big stuff coming out this year forward. That plus you build an even bigger library for the PS6 with PS5 games that might even be portable without wifi. Sounds good to me!
I think they COULD actually reverse their decision to port as much stuff with a new gen. They might not even have a choice depending on how much power and console related features their next gen games could be aiming for. Overall, they should be a little more strict about what they port from their hardware in general. Feels like a never ending cycle of toxicity dealing with a completely different crowd all the time.
I'm not picky about frames... but when it comes to SOUND? Never going back. PS4's are way too loud to put up. I do agree on the loading though! It's not that loading is terrible on PS4, but if you played the PS5 version long before even touching the PS4's... it'll definitely be noticeable. I've found myself even missing the PS5's controller features at times too.
I've been satisfied being on the Pro cycle of PS releases. I decided to skip base models starting with PS4 Pro. I'll not upgrade my PS5 Pro until the PS6 Pro.
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